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12-16-2013 , 07:46 AM
Live 2-5 game(200-1k) local cardroom.
Hero has semi agro image played with villain before and ive seen him slowplay very dry boards trying to trap me but in general he is preety straightforward with his value hands .Villain is old guy borderline maniac,calls with marginal hands pre and bluff frequency is relatively high(from previous experience ive seen him turn hands into bluffs with showdown vallue and also get stacked 200+bb on single raised pots when he gets overflushed-overfulled).Effective stacks are ~800(hero) villain covers.
Hero is mp1 with Ah2h open raises 20
Villain mp2 calls
Both HJ and BB call.
Flop(82):KsQh6H
BB check, hero bets 45 both villain and HJ call.BB folds
Turn(217):KsQh6hJh
Hero bets 80, Villain calls
River(377)::KsQh6hJhQs
Hero checks, villain bets 160, Hero c/r 410.
Thoughts about my line? Ill post results at some point,but ill be happy to reply to any questions about thought process-ranges i put him on etc.
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12-16-2013 , 08:39 AM
IMO you're not deep enough to be raising suited aces, especially from MP, but it's probably close. And if this game is filled with good aggressive players then I'm ok with the move, however if limped pots occur at this table I prefer a flat/call to get suited trash in the hand that you can overflush. I like the double barrel line but I dislike both your sizings. Your flop bet is a semi-bluff and should be sized much closer to full pot in order to get any FE whatsoever. The turn bet isn't even half pot. I actually think you may have priced in weirdly played sets to draw to a full house with just the pot odds of this bet but I'm not sure if the villain was quite getting 3.5-1 or not without the numbers in front of me. I'd bet at least 60-70% of the pot here, maybe even more to make my range look polarized. IMO your river play is the worst part of your line. The board now has tons of 2 pair combos, trips, full houses, and straights. Do you really expect the villain to bet the river? He may check behind here with all flushes, straights, TP, and two pair. Also, I doubt that you're getting your C/R called by anything you beat. Just fire out for 50-60% of the pot OTR to try to get called by something. This is likely a B/F for me.
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12-16-2013 , 08:52 AM
This is a tough one. When villain calls on the flop and calls on the turn, there is so much that he can have.

AhQx where he calls flop with middle pair and turns the nut flush draw.

QJ where again villain calls flop with middle pair and turns 2 pair but opts to keep the pot small because he's afraid of a higher 2 pair or the flush.

Or even a broadway gutshot like AhJx if he is bad enough to think all his A's are outs. He would again turn the nut flush draw, a pair and still have his gutshot.

So I think this is an easy bet/evaluate on the river. I think a check raise may be too strong and possibly fold out some of the bottom of his range.

Oh and I somehow forget all the naked flush draws in his range that we get value from too.
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12-16-2013 , 09:34 AM
I probably would have gone with a x/r on the turn instead if the river. Sizing is a question though and will depend on his sizing.

Imo your turn bet is way too small unless you were specifically trying to induce a spazz.
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12-16-2013 , 09:39 AM
I think you played it like you had a flush. Against said V I think it's fine
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12-16-2013 , 09:39 AM
I would quibble about the optimal bet sizing here and I wouldn't take this line preflop very often but the only part of this I really think might be off is the river. Up until river there are a lot of hands villain could have, but river really collapses the value range here to absurdly strong hands.

On the river what do you think pays you on a check raise? Any single pair hand or two pair is going to be happy to check behind on river, and even something like AQ shouldn't be betting because nothing worse is going to call. Smaller flushes and stubborn straights are really it.
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12-16-2013 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Morph3us
This is a tough one. When villain calls on the flop and calls on the turn, there is so much that he can have.

AhQx where he calls flop with middle pair and turns the nut flush draw.

QJ where again villain calls flop with middle pair and turns 2 pair but opts to keep the pot small because he's afraid of a higher 2 pair or the flush.

Or even a broadway gutshot like AhJx if he is bad enough to think all his A's are outs. He would again turn the nut flush draw, a pair and still have his gutshot.

So I think this is an easy bet/evaluate on the river. I think a check raise may be too strong and possibly fold out some of the bottom of his range.

Oh and I somehow forget all the naked flush draws in his range that we get value from too.
The Ah is in Hero's hand.
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12-17-2013 , 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Lapidator
I probably would have gone with a x/r on the turn instead if the river. Sizing is a question though and will depend on his sizing.

Imo your turn bet is way too small unless you were specifically trying to induce a spazz.
Tbh that was my intention, i think his range is a lot suited hands and KT-KJ maybe even Gshots that he is probably spazzing with if he sense weakness.Dunno how weak i look though with turn bet OOP vs 2 opponents.
A c/r on the turn would have probably been a better move the way i perceived his range but i wanted to bloat the pot and if he had a flush at that point im bet/3betting him and he is never folding.
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12-17-2013 , 07:24 AM
Your turn sizing should really be bigger....
I don't like river check raise....you will only be called by boats, or maybe a queen which seems unlikely.
I would just lead at the river, about 75% pot'ish you are more likely to be called by a bare king this way than letting villan check alot of his sdv hands to us.....i think of villan jams river we have to call, but I wouldn't expect to win very often.
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