Villain: reg in his early 40s. Fairly competent and based on my observations having played with him, a small winner in the game. Does not over value top pair hands and likes to slow play his big hands. Capable of multi barrel bluffs.

Hero: Adjusts between TAG and LAG based on table dynamics. Villain knows I like to value bet and am also capable of bluffing and laying down big hands.

Pre-flop: I am in big blind with 10,8 off suit. Villain calls in mid position, one call in late position, button and small blind also call. I check.

Flop is 10, 7, 3 rainbow. I check, villain bets 15 and folds to me. I call.

Turn: Ace on the turn. I check and villain immediately bets 35. Sizing seems unusual for him and he usually takes a few second to think before placing a bet. I think for a bit and decide to call.

River: 9. I check villain immediately bets 75. Hero?

I'd probably just fold flop and move on to the next hand. I'm definitely folding turn. What's your plan when you call the flop, just c/c three streets OOP? That would be bad.

I'm fine with calling flop but I'd fold turn. Is he betting T6 here? How about 99 or 78?

We know he doesn't overvalue TP and he's still betting the Ace. Give him credit and fold.

Flop call is fine, just fold turn. What do you beat other than a bluff? I would need a read that V is a maniac to commit to calling down 3 streets here.

Once you call turn, you have to call river. 9 doesn't change much other than you're now losing to 97 and some random gut shots got there.

Given your description I probably just give up on flop. It's a limped pot with several people in so he probably has something. There is a chance he is getting aggro with 98 but pretty much everything else beat hero. If he is aggro enough to take a stab with some 7X and middle pairs then I might call flop.

When he continues on turn after an ace hits I'm folding unless I think his bet is a preplanned bluff. Some villains will give away that they planned to barrel turn no matter what with the instant bet, but that depends on villain. In general it is just as likely has something like 77 and plans to bet/bet/bet unless the straight gets there.

I can fold on flop, but call is OK. Definitely folding on turn. How would these players react to a flop donk from you?

You can call this guy down if you know he's bluffing, but you'd better be pretty sure of it. His betting pattern/sizes seem distinct -- is this how he bets when he's bluffing?

I probably just check/fold the flop (although you could definitely argue for bet/folding too).

Sure, this dry flop has been checked to him with only one to act, so he could definitely just be taking a shot with air or perhaps any pair. But he's still betting in a 5way pot. And he's betting largish. And if he's capable of multibarrel bluffs, he might just continue that on the turn/river. So what's our plan, just to close our eyes and call down? If so, that's what makes setmining so profitable. So I just release now and move on with life.

Anyways, looks like our plan is to close our eyes and call down. Is that a good plan?

GcluelessNLnoobG

Fold turn? No idea why we want to call here, what range do you put a competent villain on here?

Dump it on the flop. The Bottom of your paired flop ck-c range should be ATo and you're mostly betting that to begin with. In any limped pot OOP I need clean outs to the nuts to consider continuing.

C/f flop. It's such a dry board, 5-way, and a winner in the game is making a large lead into the pot. Our hand will be face-up...I decide to c/f TP several times per session spots just like this, if I face aggression from a player that is unlikely to be betting worse. If you want to play the hand, lead, and probably 2 streets min. Still, it's just not a very good spot.

If by winning you mean losing then yes

OP states V is a small winner in the game.

If by "if by winner you mean loser" you mean winner, then yes.

You confuse your threads on this one, bro?

Reads on everyone else would be helpful since betting the flop could be viable depending on image, stacks, and reads.

Also, putting in the pot size would help:

Villain bets pot (15:15) on flop.
Villain quickly bets 7/9 (35:45) pot on turn.
Villain quickly bets 5/7 (75 : 115) pot on river.

You have a bluff catcher. Unless you have a read that (a) he'll try to buy the pot on the flop and (b) he quick bets when he barrels, I think you should have just folded the flop and moved on.

Correct thread - Just somehow misunderstood the object of your sentence.

It's also a bluff catcher that blocks a few of the hands you'd like him to have, though, to begin with its generally irrelevant in a limped pot.

I ended up calling, just had a very strong gut feeling he didn't have it. I showed and he mucked but I felt very unsure about whether I played it right. Trying not to be results oriented. I saw him play another hand similarly an hour later against another player and he ended up showing the flopped nuts. In any case based on your guys analysis I think the best approach was to b/f flop or call flop and c/f turn. Hard to decide what weight to give live reads and gut feelings, but talking myself into calling with a marginal holding in these spots is definitely going to be -ev in the long run.

FWIW, if you tally up the responses, I think the majority lean towards simply check/folding the flop.

Gut feelings are most likely overrated as we usually just remember the times we were right ("I knew it!") and totally ignore all the times we were wrong. We would need to accurately record the results of all of our gut feelings over a decent sample size to start getting an idea of how good vs bad it actually is.

Gthegutdigestsfood,notsurewhywe'replayingpokerwith itG

I often experience gut feelings that are totally worthless e.g. GII with KK preflop, I 'know' he has AA because he's such a nit, he flips over AQ or something.

how can any analysis be done without knowing the stack sizes?????

If you c/c three streets with top pair, you're gonna lose most of the time. If you c/c three streets with second or third pair, you're gonna lose almost every time.