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08-23-2022 , 08:47 PM
Villain ($200). Hero covers. I've played 5 or 6 times with this villain. He's got probably a 90% VPIP and loves to put pressure on later streets with big bets. He pounces on any sign of weakness. Earlier in the session, he successfully bluffed a QQ86 board OOP into 4 opponents. He gets a lot of folds from turn c/r's and pot+ sized bets on the river. He's a smart, thinking player. He doubled up hero a few times in prior sessions when hero had AA/KK and seems to be giving him less action. He folded to hero's UTG raise and folded his small blind to hero's button raise. He wouldn't have done this in prior sessions. He probably calls 75% of pre-flop raises.

Hero. Seen by villain as a nit who only puts money in the pot with the near nuts. I keep showing him bluffs and pre-flop raises with weakish hands (A4o/KJo) to try to ensure action.
The hand:

Pre-flop
Hero raises to $12 with KsQd from MP
Villain calls from MP2
V2 calls on button.

Flop ($32):
Q85r
Hero bets $20
Villain calls
V2 folds

Turn ($72)
10r
Hero checks
Villain bets $50
Hero shoves for $120 more

Thoughts?
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08-23-2022 , 09:01 PM
I like it. If you’ve decided you’re not folding TPGK against this villain (which sounds prudent, given description), this is a better way to go broke than to check-guess on the River. (This way, he’ll probably convince himself he’s “priced in” to call it off with any of the zillion “pair + gutshot” hands he may have now.)

And if you walked in to J9s, oh well. As said, if you were never folding anyway, at least you went broke the right way.
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08-23-2022 , 11:36 PM
I would just call here, not sure what raising is supposed to accomplish. Targeting exactly QJ and Q9s I guess?
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08-25-2022 , 09:12 PM
makes sense - Puts villain in the blender with QJ, Q9, JT, T9, 98, etc if you think they'd be played this way.
Otherwise if you call or had bet then it's not as likely the money goes in good on most rivers
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08-26-2022 , 11:37 AM
well played, i really like this line. i guess you got it in bad as you probably wouldn´t have posted this hand, right? as the others said he will probably not bet/fold QJ/Q9 here and even find calls with pair + gutshots. i don´t seem to be able to understand how a guy playing 90% vpip and constantly bloating up pots while having ultra weak ranges is being perceived as a "smart thinking player" though.
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08-26-2022 , 12:23 PM
You're folding out everything that you're beating with turn xr. I might get behind a xr with AA/KK but not KQo.


Bet smaller on the flop, double barrel and go from there.

Edit: if villain attacks weakness, then your turn check should be xc not xr.

Last edited by Balerion1; 08-26-2022 at 12:27 PM. Reason: Added comment.
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08-26-2022 , 12:35 PM
If he views you as a nit what does the think when you c/r him then? You checked to induce and he bet, but it looks like you're shutting down all the hands he woulda bluffed the river with too, but if not, we still take it down with a medium strength hand it's not like we lose value on a set or anything.

Last edited by Playbig2000; 08-26-2022 at 12:42 PM. Reason: edit
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08-26-2022 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bendiger555
well played, i really like this line. i guess you got it in bad as you probably wouldn´t have posted this hand, right? as the others said he will probably not bet/fold QJ/Q9 here and even find calls with pair + gutshots. i don´t seem to be able to understand how a guy playing 90% vpip and constantly bloating up pots while having ultra weak ranges is being perceived as a "smart thinking player" though.
Yes. Villain had AQ which I've chalked up to a cooler hitting the top of his range. I wrote a ton about villain in the description, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. I could have written a page. This is a very unique player. I keep telling him that he should have a YouTube vlog because he talks a lot and likes to have fun, too. No one would believe that anyone plays poker like this. Very, very entertaining.

He's very smart and has good poker awareness. He just doesn't care about money, but he knows when winning players are targeting him. His family is wealthy and he comes just to have fun. A key piece of information that I left out of the description is that this villain will call off huge bets light knowing that he's a huge underdog just because he likes the action. He is always aware when he gets it in bad. He usually doesn't care. I've got him so many times though, he is starting to cut me off from his action.

He cashed out for $3,000 yesterday. Every day, he's up or down thousands (usually down).
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08-26-2022 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
If he views you as a nit what does the think when you c/r him then? You checked to induce and he bet, but it looks like you're shutting down all the hands he woulda bluffed the river with too, but if not, we still take it down with a medium strength hand it's not like we lose value on a set or anything.
During the hand, he kept asking me if I had kings. He said he would have folded AQ if we were deeper. So, he's clearly adjusted to me. I'm going to have to show him some big bluffs if I want his action.

Against anyone else at the table, he would have stacked off with Q2.
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08-26-2022 , 09:51 PM
Is villain really a lag? Aq is normally an auto 3! vs mp, especially if you are showing down meh hands like a4o and kjo.
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08-26-2022 , 10:24 PM
I think you played the hand extremely well. KQ vs AQ on a draw-heavy Q-high board, against a guy in every hand, you’re going broke every time. You at least went broke in the best way possible.
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08-26-2022 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Is villain really a lag? Aq is normally an auto 3! vs mp, especially if you are showing down meh hands like a4o and kjo.

Interesting point. He's actually only a lag post flop (unless he's got a special dynamic going with someone). I don't think he's 3-betting anything other than AA and KK pre against me any more.

He's loose because he plays 90% of the hands.
He's aggressive because he's constantly shoveling large amounts of money in on the turn and river with bluff bets, bluff c/r's, and bluff raises.
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08-27-2022 , 04:03 AM
He is aggressive because the money is meaningless to him whereas he knows it is meaningful to some of the opposition. As for him folding if the bet were bigger do you always believe table talk? To him the difference between your bet and three times your bet is roughly the same as the difference between one penny and three pennies to you. You cant believe him and also believe he will call huge bets knowing he is the underdog.
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