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Line check 1/2 NL vs reg with minimal history Line check 1/2 NL vs reg with minimal history

01-21-2013 , 12:55 AM
Table is fairly reg heavy, but only one is someone I don't want to be at the table with.
Besides hero, V1 and V2, the table is most of the old man coffee type. Won't raise pre without AQ+, JJ+, won't 3! without KK+ and calls a fairly small range. There are 2 fish at the table, and I expect their range to be ATC they feel good about to limp, and really, who knows about their calling range. They prolly calls 60% of thier limping range for 15$ or less.

V1: Good reg with great sense of the game, good hand reading ability, good penchant for raising when sensing weakness, good knowledge of pot odds, and will call of when behind but getting odds. We have lots of history, but nothing relevant to the hand. Will raised limped pots often, but hasn't shown a likelihood to 3! pots without the goods in or out of position. (Possible he will IP, but it's not common.)

V2: Reg, likely good, but he doesn't get out of line too much. Plays his whole range the same way, sizing pre and post are pretty consistent regardless of hand strength, and will fire into the field with or without the goods. We've played at the same table sometimes, due to regness, but we don't really get too involved. Likes to bet fast, and act fast. Has acted out of turn at least 1 time so far this session. He's not reckless, just quick. Salaburu style.

Recent history:
All regs $300+ stacks in the hand
Both fish $150-$235
V1 straddles on the button
SB, BB, UTG, UTG1, MP call
Hero fold
MP2, HJ call, V2 raises to 12$
V1 calls, SB folds, BB, UTG, UTG1 call
MP folds
MP2 calls HJ folds

Flop: (80$) K85
Checks around the table, V2 bets out 64$
Table folds
V2 shows 34

I don't expect him to do this all the time, but it's just a sign of his possible plays.


Hand:
V2 345$
Hero 450$

UTG limps
UTG1 folds
V2 raises to $12 from UTG2
3 Folds
HJ calls
Hero calls from the CO with QJ
V1 calls from the BTN
SB calls
2 Folds

Flop: (57$) A38
SB checks
V2 bets 40 in a very quick fashion
HJ folds
Hero raises to 110$


Pre flop, it's a little hard to put him on a range, but if I had to, I'd say 44+, A6s+ 34s+ 89o+, and A10o+. But not really weighted equally. More often pocket pairs, and decent Aces.
On the flop, I expect him to lay down all of his weak Aces (anything less than A10 (not A8) and 44-77, and likely most SC that are not spades.
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01-21-2013 , 01:02 AM
line seems fine, wp
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01-21-2013 , 01:19 AM
call flop, raise pure air if you want to be raising here.

I'd be pretty surprised if he was bet/folding any ace here for that price.
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01-21-2013 , 02:12 AM
Looks like 1010/JJ.

If he raises you, then you have to fold, unless you want to gamble for the rest of your stack.

His range preflop is probably better than what you thought. I can't say for sure because I wasn't there. But his range is probably more like suited connecters, pocket pairs, and face cards. His worst hand would be something like KJo. IMO.
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01-21-2013 , 02:17 AM
What do you know about his tendencies on the turn?
Do you see V1/SB folding AJ+?

Last edited by Developedmind; 01-21-2013 at 02:28 AM.
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01-21-2013 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by shadowdodger
V2: Reg, likely good, but he doesn't get out of line too much. Plays his whole range the same way, sizing pre and post are pretty consistent regardless of hand strength, and will fire into the field with or without the goods. We've played at the same table sometimes, due to regness, but we don't really get too involved. Likes to bet fast, and act fast. Has acted out of turn at least 1 time so far this session. He's not reckless, just quick. Salaburu style.

Recent history:
All regs $300+ stacks in the hand
Both fish $150-$235
V1 straddles on the button
SB, BB, UTG, UTG1, MP call
Hero fold
MP2, HJ call, V2 raises to 12$
V1 calls, SB folds, BB, UTG, UTG1 call
MP folds
MP2 calls HJ folds

Flop: (80$) K85
Checks around the table, V2 bets out 64$
Table folds
V2 shows 34

I don't expect him to do this all the time, but it's just a sign of his possible plays.


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Pre flop, it's a little hard to put him on a range, but if I had to, I'd say 44+, A6s+ 34s+ 89o+, and A10o+. But not really weighted equally. More often pocket pairs, and decent Aces.
I think that range is way too wide. As you said earlier, he doesn't get out of line too much. I wonder if he played that hand with the 34 the way he did, and then showed the hand so he could get a crazy image and get more action on his future hands, which would be played much more carefully.
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01-21-2013 , 05:34 AM
What are you doing if he raises all in?
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01-21-2013 , 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
I think that range is way too wide. As you said earlier, he doesn't get out of line too much. I wonder if he played that hand with the 34 the way he did, and then showed the hand so he could get a crazy image and get more action on his future hands, which would be played much more carefully.
This is also my immediate thought when he pulls that. Pure advertising.

I still don't mind the raise. But many of his Ax hands will likely call. However, you've got a lot of equity to offset the cost of the bluff. I think you're also more likely to get called if you hit your flush on the turn.

Flatting the flop is also a fine line IP if we think he's the type to fire another barrel and then fold the turn.
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01-21-2013 , 06:10 AM
I prefer to flat in position, also your raise size forces out smaller flush draws (as he should expect a turn shove) which is really bad if he does.

If he does fold weak aces then as a previous poster suggested this is a better line to take with air.
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01-21-2013 , 10:08 AM
In order for V1 to fold weak Ax, he should think that Hero can put his stack on that flop and two players behind with AJ+. However, if that the case, Hero is likely to be 3betting AJ+ pre-flop more often that not.

Last edited by Developedmind; 01-21-2013 at 10:20 AM.
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01-21-2013 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by vzolezzi
What are you doing if he raises all in?
call.
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01-21-2013 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by vzolezzi
What are you doing if he raises all in?
Def snap it off.
Getting a little better than 2.3:1 with almost def more than 33% equity.
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01-21-2013 , 11:31 PM
What happened?
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