Villain has been playing straight forward for the most part. I have been pretty active pre and taking pots down with standard c bets. We are 500 effective.
Hero on button with A Q spades
Villain UTG opens to 15
Mp call
I call
Pot ~45
flop Qd 8d 4h
villain leads for 20
mp fold
hero call
pot ~85
turn 7 heart
villain leads for 55
hero raises to 170
I put V on a straight draw or a flush draw. was this too much?
Last edited by Garick; 02-13-2020 at 09:58 AM.
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Pre could be either a call or a three-bet.
Flop is pretty dry, with only a diamond draw out there. V's bet is a little small, but I think you get called by worse rarely enough that a raise would be an overplay.
Turn puts out a lot more draws, but V shouldn't really have any of them except QhXh. There shouldn't be any straight draws in his range. You are really in a WA/WB situation here, and his bet is a decent size. There's little reason to raise to charge draws, and you'll likely lose all of his Qx and PPs 99-JJ, some of which will barrel OTR if you just flat. Meanwhile, you value own yourself against overpairs and sets. With V playing straightforward, I like just calling again here.
If V bets OTR, I'd usually be flatting, and if he checks, I'd b/f about half pot for value.
I don’t hate it but I think I’d have played it slightly differently. 3b pre wouldn’t be terrible but isn’t necessary either. Flat is fine. Same on flop. A raise would be fine but there’s nothing wrong with flatting. Only part I don’t like is once I flat pre and flat flop I’m in call down mode. I wouldn’t have raised turn. By raising now you’re basically trying to get stacks in 250bb deep with TPTK against an uncapped V. This is a bit of an overplay to me.
Welcome to the forum, OP. Please don't include results, as they bias people's responses. Wait until discussion dies down, or at least a day after starting the thread to reveal results.
Pre could be either a call or a three-bet.
Flop is pretty dry, with only a diamond draw out there. V's bet is a little small, but I think you get called by worse rarely enough that a raise would be an overplay.
Turn puts out a lot more draws, but V shouldn't really have any of them except QhXh. There shouldn't be any straight draws in his range. You are really in a WA/WB situation here, and his bet is a decent size. There's little reason to raise to charge draws, and you'll likely lose all of his Qx and PPs 99-JJ, some of which will barrel OTR if you just flat. Meanwhile, you value own yourself against overpairs and sets. With V playing straightforward, I like just calling again here.
If V bets OTR, I'd usually be flatting, and if he checks, I'd b/f about half pot for value.
I don’t hate it but I think I’d have played it slightly differently. 3b pre wouldn’t be terrible but isn’t necessary either. Flat is fine. Same on flop. A raise would be fine but there’s nothing wrong with flatting. Only part I don’t like is once I flat pre and flat flop I’m in call down mode. I wouldn’t have raised turn. By raising now you’re basically trying to get stacks in 250bb deep with TPTK against an uncapped V. This is a bit of an overplay to me.
Thought about the 3bet pre but decided not to since he was utg, so a flush draw was never in his range here? Don't I want to charge him if he was on one?
I meant that the heart draws were highly unlikely. It's possible he flopped a diamond draw, but his bet OTT was basically big enough to charge himself for it, if so. Also, it's just not super likely with the Qd on the board. AdJd and AdKd are the only normal combos available for a straightforward player raising UTG.
Thought about the 3bet pre but decided not to since he was utg, so a flush draw was never in his range here? Don't I want to charge him if he was on one?
By leading again he’s charging himself to draw. He has but diamonds but also over pairs and maybe 2 sets. I’d be calling down here. But would bet if checked to OTR.
Or asked differently, if V checked to you OTT, would you have bet $55 or $170? Why?
I meant that the heart draws were highly unlikely. It's possible he flopped a diamond draw, but his bet OTT was basically big enough to charge himself for it, if so. Also, it's just not super likely with the Qd on the board. AdJd and AdKd are the only normal combos available for a straightforward player raising UTG.
yes I was referring to the diamond draw not the heart. If I just called an a diamond fell on the river any bet would put me in a tough spot, no?
