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Limping Strategy #2 Small Blind Theory Limping Strategy #2 Small Blind Theory

03-23-2012 , 10:46 PM
You have fantastic odds to limp from the small blind, unfortunately, they are REVERSE IMPLIED ODDS!!!

the VAST majority of my losses were coming from getting sucked into hands from the small blinds.

My limp range includes A2s - AJs, 22 - TT, and 54s - KQs with the caveat that I've got to basically flop or turn gin WHILE getting insanely good direct and implied odds.

I don't play suited gapers or non suited connecters from the small blind.

In short, I've just accepted that the sb is not profitable, thus I don't think twice about folding.

I can't say enough about folding from the sh ESPECIALLY if you are just gonna be heads up with an aggro or thinking player

Try an experiment. For your next ten sessions, throw away everything but the top ten% of hands from the sb and see how that impacts your sessions

You will be surprised how much money you stop leaking per hour...
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03-23-2012 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
If I'm playing my "A" game, my completing range is a null set. If I have a better hand than everyone else, I'm raising to clear the field and collect the dead money. If I have a worse hand, it is -EV to play that hand oop.

Randomly, I'm going to hit a hand hard just as often as everyone else over time. If I hit my hand hard, it is unlikely anyone else will. I'd have to have a huge skill advantage over the field to overcome worse hands and the worst position. Therefore, only the poker room wins as it collects the rake over time.
Thats just not true. You are paying half price to see the flop, and not only that, but some hands arent necessarily a "better hand" than everyone else, but are still decent hands.

If you want to get into a theoretical perspective of what to do, you should consider what type of flops would be great multiway against typical limping hands. The objective here is to hit big hands and take down big pots with a very small amount put in.

Great hands to limp in with from SB


1) A6s or equivalent. Flop comes A63, you are stacking fish with 63 and A3 all day long. 663? You stack 65, 76 all day long. Flop comes two to your suit or 3 to your suit, you can bet your ass you are getting a ton of chips from J7s who limped in.

2) small PPs. you have 33 and flop comes 3TQ, you will get stacks from QT. Doesnt happen that often? Thats ok, you are risking 1/2 a BB to win 100-150, how often do you think it needs to happen?

If you are folding or raising with A6s, you have a huge leak in your game that should be fixed.

Now, lets take the theoretical hat off for a second: I think there is basically no hand that isnt worth 1/2 a BB to limp in from the SB simply from an increased fun perspective, just dont overplay your 2 pair or trips with no kicker like the fish do. I think the SB is the best location to just put the brakes on with some hands that are usually pretty huge, and play your hand slow. I mean, if you are only trying to get 1/2 a BB out of your hand, no need to turn a $10 pot into a $400 pot with bottom two.
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03-23-2012 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
No, I'm not exaggerating. As ANL has mentioned multiple times, playing on-line has the huge advantage of getting accurate statistics on how profitable hands really are in certain positions. The reality is that only at the softest tables is playing fit or fold poker oop profitable. You need the ability to steal pots with the worst hand to make playing SC and small PP profitable long term. That's hard to do OOP in a 4 way pot.

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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
How can I get my hands on that information? I have an understanding of some online play. But that is from 2+2 and I forgot what I studied since I didn't write any notes down.

+1. I have played little to no online poker (dont burn me at the stake) and would be really interested to look over this data, and feel like it could probably help my game and discover some leaks.

Is there a player who crushes with a large sample size that can post this for us, or point us to where we can view it?

Are there other large data sets that show profitability of cold calling raises with certain hands in certain positions? I know that stack size would be a factor but maybe there's general info for 100bb effective or something. I intuitively feel I may be too loose in this regard but have no empiracle evidence to go off of.
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04-05-2012 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PLBlow
+1. I have played little to no online poker (dont burn me at the stake) and would be really interested to look over this data, and feel like it could probably help my game and discover some leaks.

Is there a player who crushes with a large sample size that can post this for us, or point us to where we can view it?

Are there other large data sets that show profitability of cold calling raises with certain hands in certain positions? I know that stack size would be a factor but maybe there's general info for 100bb effective or something. I intuitively feel I may be too loose in this regard but have no empiracle evidence to go off of.
i believe he's referring to analyzing your own play in tracking software such as hem, or poker tracker— you're able to single out a specific hand in a specific position and see how much money you're winning or losing in that situation.

r.i.p. online poker.
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