Limped pot; flop straight; horrible board OOP
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 183
2/3 game, 3am Dallas.
Hero is running hot and showing down solid hands. Playing uncharacteristically tight this session.
Villain covers; online TAG in his 20s. Solid, and hasn't shown any bluffs in large pots.
The action:
6-handed, Hero open limps with QTo in mp. Not great.
3 people ppl call, including Villain OTB.
Flop AcKcJs. Pot is 10, 4 ways, I'm first to act.
I lead 10, intending to 3b; fold, fold, Villain makes it 25, I 3bet to 100. He calls.
650 left, pot is 200.
Turn Jd
I fire 200, he calls, pot is 600, 450 left
River J.
Awesome. I c/f to his shove. How many mistakes did I make?
He showed his hand afterwards. Not that it matters, EZ fold.
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 13,362
raise pre or fold pre. most of the time fold
why did you pot turn? not saying its right or wrong, just curious why.
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 183
I popped the turn because he been pretty active with broadway hands, even out of the blinds. I figured his range was flush draws / gutshots, usually with a pair added in. AJ is not in his range, and KJo was extremely unlikely.
I wish I would have setup the betting more so I could shove the turn, but the stack sizes made it really hard. If he raises me to 25, and I make it 175, so I can jam 450 into 350 on the turn....well, even if we're 800 effective, barely any hands are going to call that 3bet.
Yet if I don't reraise, any broadway card or club either puts our hand behind or kills our action. Basically, when the board is this potentially threatening...we flop the NUTS, but they are extremely vulnerable, the pot is small, and stacks are deep.
How best to proceed out of position? While I have to fold with the line I took, are there better lines?
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 4,003
Don't open limp. If you want to play this hand then raise pre. By limping you lose aggression and position (most of the time).
Flop seems fine. Why make a pot sized bet on the turn? Villain is solid so he isn't likely to call without outs so he has either a flush draw or a boat draw. The Jack is a horrible card for your hand, but even if it improved your hand do you think you would bet pot sized with a boat here (or quads?) doubtful. So just increase your bet a little to continue to show strength (he will likely fold flush draw either way..if not you are still getting value). River played itself. You can't beat any draw and can at best chop vs QT.
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,429
ya, agree with others that you shouldn't be open limping QT from mp.
turn sizing is way too large. the J is a terrible card bc it either means you are now behind or you are going to lose value from fds that will now fear a fh. I'd bet much smaller, probably around 110ish, planning to fold to a raise.