Hi all,

1/3 NL. Hero is on a downswing this session and is down to $160 after buying in for $500. Hasn't bothered topping off because he only brought $500 and isn't willing to lose more. Table is OK, mainly fish and nits. Hero has nitty image. Hero has not 3! once at this table.

Hero limps UTG with 9h7h. UTG+2 raises to $12 (sizing tell indicates weakness), MP calls, fish in CO calls, BTN calls, hero 3! squeezes to $51. Only fish (young BG - $450) in CO calls. Hero ranges V on two high cards or perhaps a small-mid pocket pair. But saw V raise to $30 with 85ss UTG earlier, so who knows?

Pot $131.

Flop: ragged, uncoordinated. Hero has nine-high with no pair, no draw.

Hero shoves. Thoughts?

Thanks,
DT

My thoughts are:

lol.

Don't limp 97s UTG, especially 50BB deep.

If you choose to 3-bet this pre, shove. It's not a good candidate, though.

Shoving flop with 9-high, no-draw is spew. When you get called you're hoping that you're drawing live against A-high.

This obviously wasn't a 3! for value...I just wanted to take it down pre. I got called so my only out was to shove repping what I should have in this spot, an overpair. V should fold all unpaired high cards and even small-mid pocket pairs that didn't flop a set. Jamming seems like the best play.

He's not gonna fold a pair for a $110 jam into a $140 pot. That's absurd. If you're going to make this play, you have to shove pre.

I wouldn't call $51 a squeeze. Need to shove pre or squeeze to a zipcode of around ~$75 if you are deeper.

This hand is just terrible

Fold the first time around.
Fold the second time around. This needs to be at least like 75 given all the action to generate a field of folds. Probably closer to 80-85. I can ensure you that any time you get half your stack in preflop with 9 hi in a cash game, it's not a profitable play. Given your stack, you basically need to just shove if you're going to do crazy crap like this.

I can't even give flop advice because I'd never find myself in this scenario.

This is LLSNL. I've seen crazier things than someone fold a pair to a $100 flop jam. Many Vs don't think in terms of stack to pot ratio. They just see $100 and think, "That's a lot. He probably has AA or KK. I should fold."

Does not compute. Don't expect the illiterate to follow your story.

Also, pre is atrocious. You don't have a nitty image you have a losing image and are not feared. Nevermind how good your play was to get there, most Vs just see you as vulnerable. Then you open-limp a weak hand OOP with a short stack. This is not good. Then it gets back to you as a $60 pot with your call, and you make it just $39 more, while committing yourself OOP against fish with 9-high.

Forget flop, you lost your stack pre.

If the fish was dumb enough to call against my short stack with awful implied odds, he is dumb enough to fold on the flop to my jam. And that’s what he did.

Cool thread bud. It's irrelevant that you won this hand since you're such a fish your stack won't last. You seem like the epitome of what everyone typically hates playing with at a live table.

I’m a little surprised that u didn’t think the flop was an important piece of information in the hand


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I think this overstates your case a little. I just took advantage of a tight image to rep AA/KK. How often do we talk about mucking to these plays on this forum? We say: this is AA/KK 95% of the time. Well I did something a bit unusual - unconventional, even - and it paid off. I’m not saying I’ve done this before (I haven’t) or that it’s profitable in the long run (it probably isn’t). I just thought it would be interesting to post. You don’t have to start accusing someone of being a fish based on one hand that actually worked out well in the end.

Also, why would you hate playing with someone who squeezes preflop with 97hh? If you are opening a tight range, you should be delighted with this.

The board was something like 2-8-4 rainbow. Unless he flopped a set, it shouldn’t have connected well with his calling range.

A good argument for doing this with ATC.

Except nobody goes out of their way to do this with ATC.

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then.

Wish people played like that in my games.

Our average villian is not a range-assigning 2+2er.

Bad plays work sometimes. That's why fish keep focusing on those times and coming back to poker.

And as I said, this isn’t something I’m likely to repeat. Let’s call it an experiment.

Why run an experiment if we get the desired result and conclude it’s something we aren’t likely to repeat. Hmmm


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If someone else wants to try it and report back to the rest, they can. I’m not taking that risk more than once!

I'm one of the few that believe l/rr is a profitable play in LLS, but even I don't like this. For me though it's mostly about your stack size. Your rr was too small, but then again it had to be small because of your stack size, which therein lies one of the problems. I'd much rather have just shoved PF. AP , you got a great flop to continue your story, as you're most likely only getting called by OPs. I think this was mostly a "hope and a prayer" play. With the sizing you used you were very fortunate this didn't go 3-4 ways to the flop, where you would have been completely frozen with so little money behind. All of this is coming from someone who defends the merits of the l/rr in 1/2-1/3 games too.

Sizing was a tad small, but honestly a $12 raise in my games is pretty much like limping in. Most people WILL fold to a $50 3! unless they are incredibly strong (or dumb).

Yep

Hope it worked out for you, OP.


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First poster I disagree w.

OP is always welcome at my game.

On rare occasions, I will 3ball ATC.
However, I am on the button, a wide opener opened early with at least one caller, I’m 100bb+ deep and I have some physical reads on people in the hands.


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