Sunday evening. 1/3, typical loose passive game. One guy wearing poker memorabilia which makes me think he’s okay at the game.

Villain is a relative unknown, just sat down with $250. He’s the effective stack.

Hero is in the BB. YAG, has shown down a lot of strong hands. Hero has around $400

Villain opens UTG to $20. There is two calls, and I look at Th9h. I make the call.

Flop ($80~) Kh Js 4h.

I check. Villain bets $20. Folds, and a call behind. Hero makes the call.

Turn ($140) Qd. Hero ???

I can see merit in leading. My hand doesn’t block his two pairs and sets and I block AT unsuited. I don’t want to check and have it check through and risk an action killing card here for both of us. I’d rather see the board unpaired and no Aces and no tens. I range the villain to have KJ, KQ, JJ, and AA for his value and pair + FDs as his bluff candidates. It’s not those value hands will fold to a single lead. The villain has around $210 left. I can just jam if he bets again as he’s committed.

Thoughts? Okay reasoning here?

Much appreciated.

At $250 effective, the preflop call is kinda meh, imo. Even with the BB discount, we're putting in a rather large 7% of stacks, getting mehish IO of 17:1, and will be OOP with a hand that has some RIO this multiway. I'd fold but I'm a nit.

I'm also cool with check/evaluating the flop. And with the pot being $120 and only $230 back, and some bet sizing indicating weakness, I'd just ship it right now. Should have good FE and decent equity if called.

As played, I'd donk the turn. Should be a bunch of two pears / pears + draws / etc. that will have a hard time folding to the bet (but some of these hands may check behind). I'd probably go like $100 to setup a shove for the rest on the river. If we were sure someone would bet we could check/jam, but having it check around with so many action/hand killing cards would be a disaster.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Pre is marginal. SCs don't play well out of position, and not sure stacks are deep enough here. That said T9s, is up in the range, and so if you hit a pair your hand has some value. That said still difficult to play OOP.

Flop, my default is to raise here, especially given quarter pot c-bet, though its very player dependent.

Turn proves my point on being OOP. I think I check, hoping for check raise

Agree that preflop is marginal oop.

Flop is standard.

I'm leading the turn probably 1/2 PSB. It appears we are multi-way. Somebody has something, given the board texture and UTG open. We block very few of the two-pair logical combos and none of the sets the main V can have.

What river do we want to see here multi-way? Paired board is bad, heart isn't really great as it will kill action. So I prefer to lead and if we take it down, great.

Flop check-call seems fine. You can't be raising much here for value. That said you have Ten high and a monster draw so a big raise can't be bad, it probably doesn't have as much fold equity as you might hope.

I also like a turn lead. You'd hate to be drawn out on (especially by a better flush!) and this is going to get checked through a lot.

Hero thinks on the decision. As I’m thinking, villain starts grabbing chips. I check instead.

Villain bets $80. There’s a fold. I slide over two stacks of red chips before he snap calls. I show my hand.

River is a Tx. Pretty terrible card as I’m thinking all of his AK got there. I show the idiot’s end before villain tables top set. We hold and felt the villain. The last player fold mentions having an ace in the talk afterwards.

In retrospect I think I prefer a lead for a big size on the turn as opposed to checking. Thanks for the comments.


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Leading is the way to go if you're not confident that villain will fire again - with the read you had this wasn't the case, in which case I think you played it just fine.

No reason to lead turn. You have the second nuts with a redraw to a very strong flush.

I think you played it fine. But a word of caution. If you check raise all your strong hands, what happens when you check call turn? You just always lose?

But you do have AhTh which you can just check call the turn with.

Just a thought anyway. Any time you have a straight with a redraw to a flush, that is a hand that doesn't need a ton of protection and it is better to trap than straights eithout redraws. Then again, if you are freerolling, you absolutely want to pile money in.

Either way, it's fine.

Preflop you could male a disciplined fold. Villain going almost 7x and 2 cold callers - yeah I know people are calling your hand all day, but I think it is likely a losing call.

We have a huge edge against the table when we don't overdefend a $3 bb to huge raise sizes. Let him steal the blinds with his stupid open.

There's at least a few good reasons to lead the turn:

- if it checks thru it will require an overbet to get stacks in
- there are hands that will call bets now but not UI on the river
- less chance of someone bluffing the turn multiway
- ~half the deck is a scare card which could kill the action / our hand.

ETA @ OP: And FWIW, Villain grabbing chips out-of-turn is often an angle intended to induce a check, so we got a little lucky that wasn't the case here.

Gnothatin',justsayin'G

fold pre

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as played, raise/GII on the flop. you've got a weak flush draw + a gutter vs. a villain who just bet 20/80 4-way.

this is almost certainly a bad read

yep.

I'm check raising all in on this flop. We're got decent equity when called against his value range and if we can fold out hands like AJ, QJ, AQ then we're making money too.

Fair points. I guess it is just my inclination not to play my hand really face up on a card that doesn't really favor our range much if at all. If we are betting only our really strong hands when we donk turn, what is left in our checking range? Also, we don't need to protect vs the flush.

But that is coming more from a standpoint of trying to be balanced, protecting our checking range, and not donk betting except on really equity shifting cards that favor our range.

Recognizing that balance isn't that important, it is probably fine to donk, a d you do have good reasons listed.