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V 80bb- loose passive pre (when he raises pre it's generally a pretty strong hand) and somewhat straight forward post. He will check back on scary boards OTT and especially OTR. I have seen him make bluffs, but it's not often.

Hero covers- in the blinds (can't remember if I was SB or BB). I think V thinks that I am a mediocre over aggro player. I should be seen as pretty straight forward and only get money in big with the nuts. I raise a fair amount IP. Limp some when the conditions are right (table playing passive).

3 limps ...

I either complete or check with As4s

Flop

Ah 3d 5h

Check to V who bets pot ($5)

Folds to me I call.

Turn ($15)

Ac

I check and v bets $10
I call

River ($35)

Jh

I check
V bets $15

Fold APD. Most Vs are going to be so afraid of an AAxxx board except when they have A-rag beat.

APD fold seems solid given straightforward villain, small % of air and the fact that it's a limped pot.

Apd hand is one of those spots where turn or flop is a fold if river is.

I could never fold here. I mean hes capable of (sometimes) bluffing. How often is he really barreling turn with a fd? I think you'll see enough lol live button clicks with air or marginal sdv. The fact the pot is so small makes me think he can't be THAT polarized to trips+ or air. That is unless you're absolutely sure based on previous showdowns where he bets river in a relatively small pot.

I probably should fold, but I honestly don't see myself folding to often here. Probably raising the turn tbh, but you don't beat much (relative strength) so I'm a fish and should listen to bip! Sun runner above me.

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APD, this is against "Mr. Know-It-All," correct? Always spouting strat and gets really mad when he gets beat by perceived bad play?

IMO the flush card on the river is rarely relevant in this situation. Would you say "straightforward" V's semi-bluff 2 streets in a limped pot only to suck bet river?

WRT recent discussion about 10% air comprising most ranges, this might sway it to be a marginal break-even situation. You're winning ~25% of the time vs trips+ with the minimum bluffing frequency we've discussed and you're getting 3.3:1 on your call.

If you can't answer some of the questions about V tendencies (can V 3x barrel with air? Will he semi-bluff 2 streets with FD, etc) then there may be some extra EV in looking him up but I'd expect to be beat almost always if "straightforward" means to you what it does to me.

Yes.

Can V 3barrel with air? Yes, but it is rare.
Will he semi-bluff with a FD? Yes.

Even though he has those two things in his bag o' tricks, they are still not often enough to become a hero against him (and I can't hero anyways because the flush came in).

The only things I would expect him to bet the river with is Ax, flushes, and IF he has air he might pull a 'only way I can win this hand is if I bluff' bet.

A thing to consider, I just moved to this table, so what I know of him is hands we have had in the past. I don't know if he is tilting tonight or anything else. I believe my reads on him are pretty good. Maybe Garick will confirm.

OK, with info on which V we are talking about here, some additional things to consider.

1) V is 100% convinced that he is the best player in this game. If you don't believe him, just ask him.

2) V *HATES* getting sucked out on more than anything.

3) V likes to show his prowess and has a lot more bluffs in his range against me, APD, and maybe a couple of others that he a) knows can fold, and b) he sees as a threat to his ego.

All that said, I think there is VERY little air in V's range when this hand is multi-way and he knows lots of players in this game will limp weak aces and never fold them when they hit. His range is basically Ax, 2p plus, and semi-bluffs OTF.

When the turn goes HU, he is def willing to double-barrel a semi bluff against APD, and any air in his range would still be there, but I really think there's almost no air in his range after flop action (unless he was last to act, position matters here.)

OTR, almost all his semi-bluff came in (except maybe BDFD with GS), so his range is dominated by Ax and flushes. We beat exactly no Ax, and only chop with a couple. Even though there is a bit of air in his range if he had position, I think this is a fold all day. We need to be good here 23% of the time, and I think 15% is optimistic.

Do I have to have Mat demod you?

In a limped pot, a bet is better than a call on the flop. You beat almost no Ax hand as played. The turn is the easiest fold on the planet. On the river, if you called you're a complete donkey. Fold or shove is the right answer. The reason for shoving is that you don't want to show how badly you played this.

It seems like Venice tries to demod you every time you post a hand history APD.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way...

Not sure what you're hoping to gain from discussing this hand.

Do you have an agenda for posting this hand?

Hero folded

V shows 4h7s.

I agree with everything Garick said above.

Don't tease me with a good time.

Lol. This is why I don't like to post or discuss anymore, I get called out on stupid stuff. I posted it because last week I ran into a spot where I had a set and maybe I should have folded. This week I get trips, I do fold, and was wrong. I still think it was a good fold and really I'm looking to get others opinions. Garick plays in the game so I'll just pm him from here on out so I dont bother you all with agendas. I'll stick to closing threads until venice gets me demodded or w/e.

I disagree with donking the flop here. I have seen enough AJ+ limps in this game to know that it could be lurking and if its there I am going to get raised off a hand with some decent equity. I don't think c/c'ing is bad at all.

OTT I have trips plus the draw. 5,3,4,2 or A either wins or chops pot. Plus there is still the chance he is on a draw (betting it) and I am ahead. He is mostly straightforward with a few bluffs here and there. Turn is debatable IMO.

River we beat nothing because the semibluff got there and he is still betting into a tripped up board. If he had air (and he did) then good for him because he doesn't have it often enough there to make a call profitable.

Do not agree with shoving and the reason you stated for shoving was terrible.

It's not a what should I do moment. It was me getting others opinions on what they would do and possibly validating what I did. It was a line check. I didn't post it as a "line check" officially, but its a line check. FFS.

I'm super sick and feel like crap so maybe I should get off before I say something I'll regret later.

Deuces.