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11-22-2016 , 07:25 AM

slowburnerdeluxe

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 137

Mon

Eff stacks 600

V is fish on a huge heater immediately to my right, getting a massage and still playing atc but smashing every flop

H co jj
V opens for 18
H raises to 50

Flop (100) a58ss
Check, check

Should I c bet here? Thinking I probably should

Turn(100) q
Check, check

River(100) q
Check, check

V shows kk

Is my line okay?

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11-22-2016 , 07:47 AM

ibelieveyouoweme$80k

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I would bet if I felt he was capable of folding. If he's incapable of ever folding, then we should check.

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11-22-2016 , 08:55 AM

Jamitontheriver

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I'm not trying to bluff a fish off a better hand here. Just be thankful the flop wasn't 223.

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11-22-2016 , 11:17 AM

The Rumor

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I would check and take my showdown value here against a fish who doesn't fold enough

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11-22-2016 , 11:36 AM

MIB211

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Hand played fine. You're WA/WB here. I'd consider betting the river small once he checks 3 times, but that's for thin value rather than a bluff.

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11-22-2016 , 12:00 PM

iraisetoomuch

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looks good
I might value the river for $25 or so against a range that mostly has underpairs in it

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11-22-2016 , 12:27 PM

GrandTheftOtto

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I'm way more inclined to bet the flop with 99-TT (87s and 98s as well if you 3b those HJ vs. CO) here than JJ

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11-22-2016 , 05:13 PM

SqredII

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Interested in the responses here. Is this flop just an auto check on this board texture against given villain profile? It's weird that he had KK but I would probably be betting for value targeting multiple draws and unimproved PP's, I definitely wouldn't want to check and subsequently fold turn given profile. Also, is he capable of check calling twice with an A or KK or as a form of slowplay or WA/WB play?

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11-22-2016 , 05:25 PM

Alexandar

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fish on heater open/flats cowboys? Thats just way too weird

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11-22-2016 , 06:13 PM

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Nice_Guy_Eddie

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Generally, you should probably cbet an ace-rag-rag board after 3betting. It's important to know if villain has won his $$ playing passively or aggressively. Telling us he's on a heater isn't that useful if you don't tell us how he won.

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11-22-2016 , 06:41 PM

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MIB211

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Originally Posted by SqredII

I usually check flop as PFR on an ace-high board when my hand has showdown value (like JJ in your case). Exceptions are against a super-fish who I think can call with worse, or short stack where I feel committed.

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11-22-2016 , 08:37 PM

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slowburnerdeluxe

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Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 137

A bit more detail - he was playing atc, in particular any 2 cards either slightly connected or suited 107os 53s q9os etc. He was betting when checked to in position but would often check call even with weird 2 pair hands when playing oop, so I guess he was actually playing passively in that respect

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11-22-2016 , 08:48 PM

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checkoslovakia

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Hand played fine IMO.

River bet doesn't accomplish much, he's not really calling worse (with an A and a Q on the board), and not folding better either (after you check flop/turn as PFR).

FWIW I probably value bet KQ here.

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11-22-2016 , 08:51 PM

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MIB211

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Originally Posted by checkoslovakia

If you bet river, you want to make it small. I'd go $40 or even smaller. Basically try to get called by his whole PP range, which we're ahead of.

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11-22-2016 , 09:06 PM

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djevans

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 5,082

You can bet flop for $50 - as you can generally bet most A high static boards and will show a profit.

As played i'm checking it all.

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11-22-2016 , 11:56 PM

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br3nt00

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i would definitely have bet somewhere in there, for value not as a bluff.

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11-23-2016 , 12:49 AM

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johnnyBuz

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If we are going to bet (which I'm not opposed to), I think an under bet is in order and I'd size it around $40 flop -> $80 turn. He really shouldn't have KK/QQ here so I'm going to target his spades and 67 type hands.

He probably doesn't peel his PP's light, but that cancels out our FE vs. KK/QQ so it's a wash. He may fold them to a turn barrel though, so I like a bet/bet/check line which is a merged value line to get value from draws and sticky PP's while occasionally folding out better. And by sizing down we minimize our losses when value towning ourself vs. the 24 combos of AK/AQ.

Last edited by johnnyBuz; 11-23-2016 at 12:57 AM.

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