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KQss have flush draw and TPTk get ck-raise KQss have flush draw and TPTk get ck-raise

12-09-2011 , 12:53 AM
1/2nl eff 50BB

Hero has KQss on BTN

Pre flop
UTG+1 limp $4,MP+2 limp$4,HJ limp$4,hero call,sb call,BB call.

Flop ($18) 2 player
(10s,5,2s)
MP+2 bet 15,hero call.

Turn($48) 2 player
(K)
MP+2 check, hero bet 25, MP+2 re-raise all in 81, Hero???

1) How much villain go all in I can call? And how much I can’t call?
2) If eff stack is 100BB, what will you do over here? If villain raise 80?
3) Would you mind show me the math about this hand?
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12-09-2011 , 12:58 AM
Wait, did someone straddle? So is your stack 100 or 200?

I would've raised on the flop.

As played def call, why would you ever fold?
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12-09-2011 , 01:00 AM
instant call, it is 56 to win 98 so you need to only be good 56/(56+98) of the time. to figure out whether or not you are you have to use pokerstove and create a reasonable range but trust me you will have the odds
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12-09-2011 , 01:09 AM
biggest problem in this hand is: raise preflop


You also should at least consider raising flop.

Turn is a freaking obvious call.
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12-09-2011 , 05:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikestoys
biggest problem in this hand is: raise preflop


You also should at least consider raising flop.

Turn is a freaking obvious call.
Totally agree here. Raise pre 100% of the time. Just get it in on the flop if possible. Turn is snap call.
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12-09-2011 , 05:08 PM
Raise pre, raise flop, get out the chip shovel. Pls take a shot at doing the math yourself and post it here. It isn't that hard but speaking for myself I'm not just going to do it for you.
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12-09-2011 , 06:16 PM
I'm folding because OP obviously lost the hand.

butnaaah. Seriously, this is a snap.
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12-09-2011 , 07:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sit and go
1) How much villain go all in I can call? And how much I can’t call?
2) If eff stack is 100BB, what will you do over here? If villain raise 80?
3) Would you mind show me the math about this hand?
If villain goes all in for X, then you need to call (X-25) and when you do, the pot will be (48+2*X). So you're getting (2*X+48) : (X-25) to call.

You need to estimate the probability that you're good, and then the probability that your flush draw or spiking a K or Q is good. If P(good already) + 9/46*P(flush good) + 3/46*P(Q good) + 2/46*P(K good) > (X-25)/[(2*X+48)+(X-25)] then call, if not then fold.

EZ game, obviously.

You're rarely good UI IMO and P(K good) is really small. Bet-check/raise is usually a made hand that's better than one pair (the check is for fear you're going to fold one pair if he keeps betting) and if the K didn't hit him then it's better than 2 pair - sets are in his range here, as well as KT or K5s/K2s. There's also a possibility he was just stabbing at the pot with overs and spiked his K (e.g., KQ, KJ, K9) so that's the probability that you're good. I guess there's some probability he's just trying to take it down with a FD+pair (As5s) or decided to lollimp AA preflop (in which case you have 14 outs), but maybe that's just the limitard in me.

I think you can throw in an out or two for non-flushes and declare yourself to have 11 outs, but you really need to be good UI about 10-15% of the time here before you have enough equity to call.
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