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KQs MW against Super LAG/Maniac in 1/3 KQs MW against Super LAG/Maniac in 1/3

02-11-2023 , 10:46 PM
9-handed, and most of the table is pretty loose-passive. There's one good rec I recognize, but the main villain (V1) from this hand is only what I can describe as a super LAG, if not borderline spewy at times. I've won HU against this villain previously and he is chatting with the rest of the table. Hero is a YAG with a good image (presumably), and hasn't gone to showdown. Hero now knows this villain is borderline maniac, and his winning image might be because the rest of the table is playing too loose passive. V2 is your typical MAWG, and has been bantering about V1's aggressiveness.

Hero has around $350.
V1 has around $500-600.
V2 has around $300.

Hero is in UTG+2, Villain 1 is in the blinds, and Villain 2 is in later position.

Folds to Hero who looks at KQhh. I make it $15. V2 calls, and V1 calls.

Flop comes 963r with a single heart. V1 checks dark prior, and I cbet for $20. V2 tank folds, V1 calls.

Turn is a Kd. Villain 1 leads for $45. Hero calls.

River is a 3x. Villain 1 bets $125. Hero ???

Spoiler:
Hero snap calls. Villain mucks and we take it down w/o showing.

I dislike my lead on the flop. If I was HU against Villain, then I feel like this cbet would be okay, but MW it might be an error to cbet. I still imagine my premium pocket pairs would still bet on a fairly disconnected board.

I think turn is pretty straight forward. We catch TPGK and are in position now. I dislike check raising for the reason it'll fold his airballs.

When the river pairs, I'm feeling pretty good. We have TPGK, and if he does have a king, it's probably not AK and its a king I can beat. However, he leads for a chunky size. I think the only way I can mess this hand up is by folding. Thoughts on the line?
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02-11-2023 , 10:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by selbor61
9-handed, and most of the table is pretty loose-passive. There's one good rec I recognize, but the main villain (V1) from this hand is only what I can describe as a super LAG, if not borderline spewy at times. I've won HU against this villain previously and he is chatting with the rest of the table. Hero is a YAG with a good image (presumably), and hasn't gone to showdown. Hero now knows this villain is borderline maniac, and his winning image might be because the rest of the table is playing too loose passive. V2 is your typical MAWG, and has been bantering about V1's aggressiveness.

Hero has around $350.
V1 has around $500-600.
V2 has around $300.

Hero is in UTG+2, Villain 1 is in the blinds, and Villain 2 is in later position.

Folds to Hero who looks at KQhh. I make it $15. V2 calls, and V1 calls.

Flop comes 963r with a single heart. V1 checks dark prior, and I cbet for $20. V2 tank folds, V1 calls.

Turn is a Kd. Villain 1 leads for $45. Hero calls.

River is a 3x. Villain 1 bets $125. Hero ???

Spoiler:
Hero snap calls. Villain mucks and we take it down w/o showing.

I dislike my lead on the flop. If I was HU against Villain, then I feel like this cbet would be okay, but MW it might be an error to cbet. I still imagine my premium pocket pairs would still bet on a fairly disconnected board.

I think turn is pretty straight forward. We catch TPGK and are in position now. I dislike check raising for the reason it'll fold his airballs.

When the river pairs, I'm feeling pretty good. We have TPGK, and if he does have a king, it's probably not AK and its a king I can beat. However, he leads for a chunky size. I think the only way I can mess this hand up is by folding. Thoughts on the line?


- A small c-bet is fine sometimes when there is a heart on the flop. Checking is also fine.
- Turn is a call
- River is a call, nh.

I would size the c-be to 15, the rest of the hand looks fine to me.
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02-12-2023 , 01:43 AM
Only bet $15 if we are betting a lot on the flop ... otherwise go higher (so $20/$25 seems fine to me). Personally never betting this flop when I'm UTG with this hand 3 ways.


Would be very tempted to raise turn as played (or if we checked flop and he led), he mostly has air/draws/worse-Kx.

River is closer to a call, even against described player, but I don't mind raising small there either.
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02-12-2023 , 01:57 AM
Flop c-bet is good if done rarely. You need to mix a few c-bets that are very light in to keep villain calling light. You want him to know your flop bets can be bluffs. At the same time you are multiway and shouldn't c-bet this very often.

After that it's simple call down territory against a bluffy opponent. Even if villain has a king he has a good number of worse kings. Against a better opponent this could be a tough decision on the river, against a spewy lag who will always carry through with bluffs on the river you can't fold TP on such a dry board.
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02-12-2023 , 02:41 AM
against a lag who will interpet small cbets as weakness i prefer just checking this flop. obv cbet small with overpairs for balance.

as played instacall both streets

Last edited by NittyOldMan1; 02-12-2023 at 02:50 AM.
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02-12-2023 , 09:47 AM
You’re over cbetting on a board that’s real easy to float for a sizing that incentivizes floats with one of the worst hands to cbet in your range. I’d rather cbet with JT for example.
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02-13-2023 , 01:58 PM
I limp in but that's me (noting that this is the very bottom of my EP range).

I'm a little either/or on the cbet. Obviously not a good board at all to rep. But folding out A high is a major coup. And we could pick up some barrel cards on the turn.

I'm also calling the turn. Raising would be way overplaying on a drawless board. It is actually a little concerning TBH, as he is donking a card that should hit us as the continued aggressor.

River I think is somewhat villain dependent. Good laggy players are simply owning us with a better hand a lot here (as they've put us on AK a lot here and yet are still betting, when there aren't a lot of busted draws to barrel). But against bad laggy players and for this price I'm sigh calling.

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02-14-2023 , 02:10 AM
Against most players this is a call. Against described villain this a print spot.
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02-14-2023 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
Against most players this is a call. Against described villain this a print spot.
Really? At 1/3? I'm in the Ed Miller camp here - Big River bets at 1/3 are nearly always a strong hand. Against a typical loose passive I'm getting out of the way; they're just not making big river bluffs at a frequency you can pick them off profitably.

Certainly against this player, it's an easy call.
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02-15-2023 , 01:39 AM
I see players take this line with A9, TT, KJ etc. I think we’re good a lot.
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