2/5: 1k min buy-in 9handed

Table started 30 min ago. Table is 3 solid players. 1 button pusher. 1 massive whale.

V1: (985)Massive whale. Limp calls % 75. Raise pre utg 1 time. Going to river a ton. Called pot size size river bet on A-J-5-5-7 board and couldn't beat J-10.

V2: (700ish) Fish, on tighter side. Not rolled for this game. But isn't scared money. Bad post flop in big pots. Lost with AK to flush few hands ago.

V3: (2.5k ) Button pusher. Has been iso raising whale everyhand. Was guy who value bet J-10. Has opened % 50 hands. 3 bet 4 times in first couple orbits.

Hero: Known Lag. (Villain 1 doesn't know me, V2 thinks I am very solid) Not a reg. But play this game 1 month on avg. Been card dead. PFR raised 1 hand won with cbet.

V1 (whale) limps utg +2, V2 raises to $15 (standard is 15-20), V3 3 bets to $55.

Hero in CO, looks down at KQss.
Hero?

Have big post flop edge on all players. V3 is likely 3 betting light to iso the whale and fish.

Fold > 4bet > call

Fold. You're probably ahead of V3's range but V2 you should be worried about.

Pretty much a flat with your entire range in this spot...

I'm calling.

4betting is out of the question, because we want to keep the whale in the hand.

We have a lot of good things going for us here:

- We have position on both Villains
- V3 will probably freeze (he won't bluff the flop often)
- Our hand is strong, flops a lot of nutty draws
- KQs is crushing the whale's range
- V2 is only 5betting KK+ to our 4bet

From what I'm reading, it appears that if you want to get it heads-up vs. V3, nobody will be wearing gloves. So, it's a matter of whether KQs is the hand you want to butt heads with.

IMO, you have to be there, in the game, in order to make the right decision.

Since you haven't played much, wouldn't a raise to $150 carry it's weight in osmium?
Or, are you interested in getting it 4way as Da Yu suggests & make money off the other 2 if you get a really nice flop?

I imagine you aren't going to make much off of V3 PF if he doesn't catch something?

I call. The big question for me is how far V3 will get out of line to attack V2. It's not clear that V2 is the sort of player who is (or would be perceived by V3) adjusting much to exploit V1. So if V2 is raising his normal range, V3 should have his regular 3bet range in this spot, which I guess is still pretty wide, too wide to fold a solid hand in position. 4betting has the advantage of punishing V3 for his overaggression, but it more or less wastes the value of our hand, as we're not all that likely to see a flop. Plus, calling gives us the best chance of keeping the whale in, we're in position, and we have a big postflop edge. You don't say how deep we are with V3, but if we're 500bb, that will give us plenty of space to punish him. The only concern is whether flatting caps our range, but I don't think it should in this spot (i.e., I think you should 4b some premiums and bluffs, and call with some premiums and some playable hands like this one).

EDIT: As DaYu points out, another important factor is that we ~always get to see a flop if we call unless V2 has a monster.

I like this dynamic for a 4-bet to $140.

Not sure what your stack is.

Whale probably has nothing and even he won't call a cold 4-bet.

V2 can fold plenty of his opening range.

V3's 3-bet is pretty wide given your read.

4 balling to $140 to win $85 sounds pretty good to me.

If someone calls, you can play the poker in position.

Hero stack..is $980

Never folding!!!!!

Have position. We are 200 BB almost. My hand is doing fine vs there ranges. Have huge edge in position. In a soon to be bloated pot.

I believe 3 bettor is super wide. Like 30% range. Opener has 20% at least. Is smaller raise side looks like weak attempt to iso.

Not a fan of playing rio hands regardless of position. Flop?

+1. I'm not usually a fan of going crazy with KQ. The scenario and villains hero describes creates an ideal 4-bet situation. V2 will have a hard time calling or shoving with anything less than KK+. V3 has a huge range if he 3bets as often as hero says. I'd like to know if V3 has been 4bet at all and what his reaction was. My guess is he'll fold most of 3bets to a 4bet from a perceived tight player.

Could you expound on this please.

He hasn't been 4 bet or 3 bet yet. He isn't a total aggro donk. So I would expect him to slow down when it happens.

What hand doesn't have RIO? Besides AA, Ak, KK. We only playing 4% of our hands in this spot? Even AA has RIO in this spot. As Villains will have odds to set mine. And SPR will be so low AA is gonna end up stacking off.

For what it's worth. I think Stacking off because of SPR is over played (tad bit dated). Is a leak in alot of players. An excuse we use to make poor calls.

Tight guy is opening 20% in EP? And who the hell is 3betting 30% at 2/5?

Fold>Call>4!. If tighter fish is aware of the button pusher he may be 4! gii with a larger portion of his range than normal. How does whale react to 3!'s? Depends who button pusher 3! the first 30 minutes as well. I mean if he 3! the nit fish the nit fish could be 4! here a lot so that make calling much worse. In game I am folding. I suppose calling could be ok depending on the 3! dynamic. If whale is likely to call the 3! and nit fish hasnt been getting run over and wont be 4! a ton calling could be ok. Based on info given by OP i think folding is the best option.

In this spot. I believe he is 3betting super wide. (Unless he is getting a **** ton of hands, he is 3betting very l8ght) ...V2 is Tagy pre (fishy post). he doesn't seem to ever open limp. Have seen him open small pairs and A-10 suited in ep. Maybe a little tighter than 20%.

I think this might be your best answer. We have a hand we can play good post with multiple villains and position, especially since the whale is so sticky anyway.

If we 4bet and the whale calls, the CO is likely to call also since he's in the hand. Then we would have to play cautiously since both their ranges are going to be so wide and they might not be so easy to get them to fold if we flop no equity.

call pre

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I like my post flop edge. Decided to flat. If I would have taken more time. I prefer a 4 bet, but a super small 1. Maybe to $105

Hero flats.
BB flats
V1 flats
V2 tanks...flats

Flop: $215.......10d-9d-4d
Checks through.

Turn:Qc

Checks to V3 bets $150
Hero?



Turn

My first instinct is to fold. But probably, that has to do with the passive tables at my game.

On second thought, given the dynamics that u describe, I would call.Why?

1) you have position in a bloated pot. This means that players are likely to play fit and fold post flop.

2) with position, u make less mistakes postflop. For eg., knowing when to fold even with TP type of hands if action gets too hot.

3) with position, u can also frequently steal pot with a half pot size bet at flop given that most players don't hit flop frequently.

AP, call turn and fold to a large river bet.

Fascinating. My initial reaction is that it's pretty unlikely that V3 has a big diamond or a flush, as he would cbet the flop if he did. It's also unlikely that he flopped a big hand like 2p or a set. I put his range at {JJ+, QT-QA, KJ, AJ, JT, air}. I somewhat discount the overpairs to the flop and maybe some of the junkier hands in that range.

I find it pretty unlikely that anyone else in the hand has a flush, though they could have a big diamond or anything else.

I would like to raise trying to run V3 off his hand, but it's basically impossible for us to rep a good hand, and it's easy for him to 3bet us with a jack. I don't know if we can call if he 3bets.

Calling is pretty painful because it lets the other villains in if they have big diamonds and makes it impossible to bluff V3 on a diamond river. That said, the pot is huge, and our hand is pretty good, and we apparently can't raise, so I guess I call again.

His line is FOS!!!!!

He Cbets 99+, any pair, all naked Ad, most his naked Kd, that leaves him with offsuit AK AQ KQ.

He would check AK a majority of time. So he is only value betting AQ, KQ, QJ. Could possibly have Qd.

I don't like calling. Given pot is $575 after my call. Whale and V2 both get odds to call with Ad or even Kd.

I don't like folding with pot of $425.

Decide to stick my neck out and raise to $325. It gets whale and V2 to fold crappy diamonds and gutter balls. Should stop V3 from bombing river as bluff. When I raise it is the last dollar I am sticking in pot unless a Queen comes on river.

Whale calls (didn't see that coming). V2 folds V3 looks at me like he has nuts, then folds.

River is 5c
Whale checks. Hero Bets $200. (Couldn't help myself) Get value from 10's. Get owned by 2 pair.

Whale calls. MHIG