Please play the hand as is. No folding preflop.

UTG is perceived by the players at the table as super LAG. Capable of big bluffs, raising with marginal hands OOP, etc.

BTN is a centered/sober player, no crazy moves, laid back, but has been raising often the last couple orbits and the only hand he showed was Q9o when he raised OOP against three limpers and flopped 2 pair. Definitely capable of making a move, stealing, etc. every once in a while.

6 handed.
UTG straddles 2 BB
folds to the button who minraises to 4 BB (consider this raise standard since he wasn't aware of the straddle when he put the raise).
Blinds fold and UTG looks at his cards: KhQd.
Perceiving weakness and determined to playback, UTG re-raises to 13 BB.
BTN takes a moment to think things through, and 4 bets to 40 BB.
UTG calls.
POT ~84 BB
Flop comes QhJh9h
UTG checks, BTN bets 47 BB.
UTG?

BTN has 255 BB behind after betting the flop.
UTG covers

I would like to add a comment from UTG perspective.
UTG knows BTN would 4 bet with a much much wider range than usual because of him. So my opinion is that when BTN puts the last raise, he's somewhere between TT-AA + AKs/o, AQs/o

Raise to 175 BBs and call any shove. This is basically the best possible flop we could have hoped for.

Preflop is a call OR is a shove over the 4 bet IF you really think villain will 4 bet AQ and TT. BTW, i got no problem (in fact like it) if we expected villain to 4 bet light value (TT AQ) and possibly fold to shove. Thats high level.

3 betting pre was a bad choice unless for value. Im guessing that much thought wasnt put into it.

Calling the 4 bet is god awful OOP.

Now that we are mired up to our neck in it on the flop, check shove. We have to extract every ounce of FE possible to try and slither out of this mess. I never said villain will fold that often here, but go ahead and try to figure a better EV way of playing from flop on if u want. I say this is optimal at this point really regardless of villain.

have to c/c the flop this deep imo.

Pre is fine. KQo is way ahead of his range. I think you can fold ot the 4-bet tho.

Good luck, pardner
It's not my business to get involved if you put preconditions as to play the hand without considering folding pf. I don't know to play like that. What I can tell is that even AJo in the hands of an expert doesn't show a profit UTG. For myself even AKo in some games I cannot generate profit OOP especially UTG. So, for myself I would say: I don't know what I want to flop and I have no idea what a good flop is unless of course I flop a monster once a year or so. My game is based on the assumption that since I play every day full time I don't need to get involved with KQo UTG and in fact I very rarely I ever raise UTG. Believe it or not in my "tight game mode" when I'm OOPP UTG/UTG+1/UTG+2, I just need to look at the first card and most of the time I just fold as soon as I receive the second one without even looking.

Che,

Calling the 4b is pretty bad but I'm calling this flop being so deep. What hands would villain get it in w worse?

I'm tempted to say that when BTN 4 bets, he makes clear he's not holding at least AA or KK and maybe even QQ, which are all shoving hands.
TT-JJ AK AQ.
I perceive this villain not as tricky enough to just 4 bet AA or KK thinking about extracting on the flop. Regardless of how deep both players are here.
Because with KK+, which player doesn't want to get this kind of action and feel happy about going all-in pre?

Can I request that we lock threads this guy starts where he pretends that high-stakes hands are LLSNL hands? This isn't the first time he has done this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tJcLnRUG7s

IMO regardless of the stakes, the important thing is to think the hand through. That's what will open your mind and make you better as a player.
Every hand is a problem to solve, and you can look at it from different perspectives. And critically make your own mind about it.
I tried to be as descriptive as possible.

Fold. No use sending good money after bad. And I doubt you have much fe here.

In LLS the BTN 4bet would be, at it's widest, QQ+ & AK

Hand 0: 20.751% {KhQd}
Hand 1: 79.249% {QQ+, AKs, AKo}

Summary: Crushed.

Even if we add in JJ and AQ (Lol) it's

Hand 0: 25.282% {KhQd }
Hand 1: 74.718% {JJ+, AQs+, AQo+}

Summary: Crushed

And if we're wildly optimistic and add in some more stuff and a bluff hand

Hand 0: 30.694% {KhQd }
Hand 1: 69.306% {TT+, AQs+, JTs, 9s7s, AQo+}

Summary: crushed.

So as this is the LLS forum...




I'll 2nd vernon's motion as above.

This thread is going nowhere but down hill.

OP, while I did this once years ago, it really isn't useful to the forum as a whole. I suggest reading Rafe Furst's chapter in the "FTP Strategy Guide."

Craig: How many levels do you usually have to go to win?
Furst: The amount never varies; one level deeper than your opponent.

The point is that the players are playing multiple levels above where we play in this forum. At a level 2/3 point of view, durrr's call is spew. The SPR is about 3, so if he doesn't hit, he's got no room to bluff if the stakes were 1/2 or even 2/5. It is due to the stake level that he has more FE.

Therefore, I'm locking this. I suggest that if you want to post a hand like this, just put the actual stakes and players involved. I'm sure we can get a good discussion going.