1/2 NLHE at El Dorado in Reno

PS: Reno is great if you're trying to get in the mood to kill urself

SB has just sat down maybe 1-2 orbits ago. Played one hand with him in which I flopped 8-high open ended sfd, bet at it the whole way, made the flush on the river only to run into his higher (Q7) flush. Older guy who seems to want to play ATC just because he wants to play. Has me covered with $425.

BB is a tight-passive who sticks to broadways and pp's. Cannot lay down top pair; has recently lost a good bit of his stack holding on to tpwk on extremely wet board. $150 deep.

Hero is younger, out of towner who has come to crash the locals party. Have not really been uber-aggro, but probably have that kind of table image because of age difference and lack of local-ness. $325.

SB posts $1
BB posts $2
EP1 folds
EP2 folds
MP 1 folds
MP2 folds
Hero KsQh raises to $12
CO folds
BTN folds
SB calls $11
BB calls $10

Flop ($30) Kc 9d 4c
SB bets $25
BB raises to $50
Hero???

I am just totally confused by both of these moves as it is really the first time either has shown aggression. I am confident that I have BB beat because if he had AK he would have reraised pre and if he flopped a set he would have tried to get trappy especially with young, aggroboy behind him as pf raiser. SB really could have any two here and his donkbet feels like K9 praying to get raised, maybe a draw but idk. Help?

You are probably ahead of the SBs range but the BB's raise scares me. You describe him as being a passive player who plays good cards and this is one of the first time's he's raised. Against aggro fish I like my kq here but against these types of fish I would give it a fist-pump fold and wait for a better spot. Calling and just hoping the BB has KJ or K10 is a little too optimistic IMO. Calling would probably commit you to his shove on the turn too given that he is not that deep.

This is a gross spot. Have you seen BB minraise before, and if so what did he have then? It really comes down to how often he does this with KJ or KT versus how often he has AK or 99. Since we have position, I'd probably just call and re-eval on the turn; although I wouldn't fault you for folding at all.

You've got 12 invested into the pot and you've hit top pair strong kicker. You've seen somewhat strong action from both of the players and you are contemplating continuing in the hand?

The BB is obviously not worried about you since you act after him and he's already thrown in a raise. If this doesn't scream the nuts, or something close I don't know what does. I don't see how he could possibly be min raising before the PFR acts without a hand that crushes your range.

He could be min raising before the PFR acts because he is a level 1 player and is only worried about his cards, not his position or my cards.

I was totally more worried about the SB than the BB in this spot. What do people put him on here? What does he donk at this 3-way flop with? A weak K? A 9? Clubs?

I am prepared to get all the money in against the BB in this spot. The SPR between me and him is 6, which is prime territory for a hand like tpgk. I am convinced he shows up in this spot with tpwk more often than AK or a set.

@Tom: I can't just flat here because the SB acts again behind me and could easily make a 3-bet that I simply could not call.

BB being a tight-passive makes this a fold imo

So, what's wrong with that? If the sb can raise over top of a minraise and cold call of that minraise, than I'd say you can safely fold and feel good about it.

OP, given your description of the two villians...how are you less worried about the BB than the SB?? You described the BB as being a player who plays good hands PF and is passive postflop...Doesn't a min-raise from this type of villian scream strength?? Wouldn't a k10 or kj from this type of player just call down three streets?? And given that the SB "just wants to play" with ATC preflop shouldn't his range for leading out be wider??

I want to fold here but I also wonder if these are regs squeezing the new guy out

BB being a passive nit (if your read is right) and making the minraise is alarm bells though

While BB is a passive nit I don't think he appreciates the relative strength of his hand. Recall that I said in OP that he can't lay down top pair...I think he may be overvaluing his hand; like he is being aggressive because he thinks its good but it's really not. I am more worried about the SB because his range here is so wide; I said he was loose, not loose aggressive. Any two pair combo is possible with him as well as draws and weak K's and even sets if he got really lucky. I still don't have an answer to my question: What is he donking with here?