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09-13-2015 , 09:56 PM
2/5

stacks
hero 900+
villain 300ish

reads
hero-pretty tight havent really showdown many hands but not really sure villain has been playing attention

villain-bit all over the shop,calls pretty wide pre a lot,seems a little bit nittier post flop but no other real reads.

hand
hero opens utg to 15 with KQ
folds all round to the Sb who calls
Villain in BB calls

Pot 45

Flop
89Q

SB checks
Villain Bets 30
Hero calls
I wasnt really sure what to make of this bet as I like my hands but it is pretty vulnerable, I had position and didn't really like to raise here as I would be bloating the pot with only TP decent kicker. but I know villain is not just donking out with air
SB folds

Pot 105

Turn K
villain checks
hero ?????????? I ended up betting 55
I didn't really know what to do here as I like my 2 pair but could be behind here and I wanted to charge If the villain a club.
villain calls "say it was his birthday lets see what happens"

Pot 215

River 3
Villain checks
Hero checks
I didn't really see any point of betting here as only better will call and I thought I had decent Showdown value

I didnt really felt like I play this right, should I be raising the flop to charge hands like pair+gutshot,Pair+flush draw??? or was calling a lot better in the long run as I dont want to bloat the pot with medium strength hands??
I liked my bet sizing on the turn but should I be betting more there???
what would you have done????
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09-13-2015 , 10:18 PM
Dude,

You needed to give reads and the stack size for SB, since this may affect our decision making process.

However, if we assume the SB doesn't exist, I don't understand how you just don't raise AI, since you have TPGK and an SPR of 3.

After I saw you bet less than your remaining stack on the Turn with 2-pair I couldn't force myself to read any further.

Last edited by DrChesspain; 09-13-2015 at 10:27 PM.
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09-13-2015 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DrChesspain
Dude,

You needed to give reads and the stack size for SB, since this may affect our decision making process.

However, if we assume the SB doesn't exist, I don't understand how you just don't raise AI, since you have TPGK and an SPR of 3.

After I saw you bet less than your remaining stack on the Turn with 2-pair I couldn't force myself to read any further.
Unless OP edited his post to change stack sizes, isn't the SPR on the flop 285/45 = 6.3? He'd be shoving 285 into 75.

On the turn a shove is also a pretty big overbet. 255 into 105
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09-13-2015 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
Unless OP edited his post to change stack sizes, isn't the SPR on the flop 285/45 = 6.3? He'd be shoving 285 into 75.

On the turn a shove is also a pretty big overbet. 255 into 105
Ugh, I misread the PF action. But I still think that raising the flop is a.must, setting up a trivial shove on the turn.
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09-14-2015 , 12:06 AM
Yeah after the hand I really thought i should be raising the flop a lot there as i am still ahead a lot of the time. It also makes it a lot easier to player turn given SPR
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09-14-2015 , 02:11 AM
Raising KQo UTG 15 is a bit loose and bizarre. Your sizing begs action, calling ranges will be huge. You say V is nitty postflop and he donked into you. You have 2 options. 1. Respect his nittiness, give credit for aq/2p/set/straight and fold. 2. Read his donk for possible weakness such as a blocking bet with a draw or top pair weak kicker. In this case I'd raise a healthy amount for information. If he calls, we can assume that we are usually beat. A nitty postflop player will fold most draws except perhaps a monster combo draw. This is a pretty ****ty flop for KQo with the JT straight already made on the flop and like half the deck is scare cards for our hand. If you just call, you're setting yourself up to calling off escalating turn and river bets. Raise for information, he will be forced to put you on AQ or an overpair and react accordingly. We hope he folds. If he calls, we hit the brakes or abandon ship. The turn is a terrible card, improving from TPGK to top 2 pair is a booby prize when a flush draw makes it at the same time. A bet here is bad, that reps the flush since you just called his flop donk bet. Most of what will call you has you beat. If you're beat, your 4 outs to improve are a very long shot. There are a lot of ways you could be beat right now. Give a free river, then consider a bluff catch on the river with top 2 pair, but don't think of it as a strong hand. The time to charge draws is over, the main draw already got there. As played, the river is a check behind, you will never get value from any hand that you beat here, only a hand with a club will call, and maybe a tilted flopped straight or set, all of which beat you. I thought your read was that this guy was supposed to be nitty postflop, but you're reading his comment about it being his birthday as though he's being gambly, seems a bit contradictory.

Stop raising KQo UTG to 15 to fix this kind of hand. If you're intent on playing it, raise more. I'd fold.
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09-14-2015 , 06:26 AM
Thanks that kinda put it perspective for me.
I was going on reads that I had at the time before this hand.
When it went to show down he rolled over 57cs and wins with a 7c flush which kinda threw me well off as i had him pegged for a decent player.
After that hand i started to really watch his play and just looked on in amaze and this guy went on tilt/SLAG for no apparent reason was a little mystified at what triggered it. Next few hands i got most of the money back so no real big deal.
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09-14-2015 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Thorware
2. Read his donk for possible weakness such as a blocking bet with a draw or top pair weak kicker. In this case I'd raise a healthy amount for information. If he calls, we can assume that we are usually beat. A nitty postflop player will fold most draws except perhaps a monster combo draw.
This is awful advice, please do not follow this OP. Raising for information contradicts the fundamentals of poker and reasons for betting. You either want better hands to call, or worse hands to fold, correct? If your raising with the intention of giving up when called, you're getting better hands to call and worse hands to fold, which is disastrous to long term profitability.

AP, the standard line here is to fold KQo pre, but if you're not doing that, then make the raise bigger- maybe 20-25 I'd say.

OTF, I think flatting is the best play, as folding is too nitty without a read on the BB as tight/passive. His bet is big enough to not be interpreted as a blocker bet. Raising, again, will generally only get action from better hands, or hands with significant equity.

OTT, your bet seems to lack purpose. If youre putting him squarely on two clubs and know that he only donks flop with a FD, then you should be checking behind. If you think the majority of his range consists of 1 pair hands and/or single club hands, you should be betting more than 55. I'd say 70-80 is good, as you want V to make a calling mistake with the improper odds you're laying him to draw. It seems like your bet is an unsure blocker/protection bet that doesn't want to check behind since you have top two, but doesn't want to bet too big for fear of being against a flush.

OTR, checking back is pretty trivial.
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09-14-2015 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Thorware
Raising KQo UTG 15 is a bit loose and bizarre. Your sizing begs action, calling ranges will be huge.
This.

+1

what were you thinking of raising 3x UTG? Were you raising for value? utg it's dog crap.

I'm not saying to fold, but if you do decide to raise, make it at least 25 or 30 to get one caller.

as played everything else looks ok.
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09-14-2015 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
This.

+1

what were you thinking of raising 3x UTG? Were you raising for value? utg it's dog crap.

I'm not saying to fold, but if you do decide to raise, make it at least 25 or 30 to get one caller.

as played everything else looks ok.
in general when i get dealt hands like KQ/AJ UTG i like to limp 3 bet some of the time depending on the action behind obviously. if you open KQ/AJ UTG you're asking for **** spots imo. also, if you're going to employ this strategy i would heavily suggest you tank a few seconds before calling because it helps with preflop fold equity.

as played i would check the turn and check the turn and check call on safe rivers. why bet into this pot? if villian is bluffing with a hand like 108 9J then let him keep bluffing. what hands can he possible have that play this way and have a club in them? is he calling the turn bet with 1010 JJ? with a club? maybe off suit combos? maybe. its a weird reason to bet the turn imo.
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