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Originally Posted by snowman
3-betting and then calling a 4-bet co-mitting 33% of our stack when OOP against a labeled TAG doesn't seem smart as even if we spike a K or Q we are going to get stacked quite a few times while scooping the min when we do out flop V and are ahead
I think we are mostly in agreement, it's just to squeeze or not.
I think out of all the options, calling the 4! has to be the worst. You make some valid arguments against the 3! squeeze and against some players, I would definitely squeeze and some I would definitely not. It really depends on just how tight the opener really is. I wouldn't decide based on a generic 1/2 player, but on my specific read of that player. And I wouldn't squeeze here if my table image is at all loose or spewy.
Why not call the 4!? You're OOP, no longer the aggressor, and you're not sure if a flopped K or Q helps or dominates you. You're obligated to check almost every flop and call almost any sort of c-bet. If you are going to bluff the flop with a c/r, why not go ahead and 5! pre? Without a miracle flop, you're at a serious disadvantage the whole way. So after the UTG/HJ does 4!, either 5! or fold. Unless I had a read that V was a tricky player, I would fold.
A leak I've been trying to plug in my game is calling too often. But given that, I can't fold KQs pre for $15 vs a $60 pot. I won't fold pre, won't call a 4!, so my options pre are call or squeeze. If I squeeze, I must have the plan to fold or 5! if faced with the 4! decision. I also have to plan to c-bet any board that would c-bet with AA.