Mostly an online plr so my thought process in more than 1 streets may be completely flawed, open to discuss.

Local casino in Europe, 3am, last 3 players.

SB is rich wino who plays bad but completely unpredictably and splashes money around. BB is 30ish yo scandinavian tourist, some 2-3 bi's down, clearly tilted bc of wino sucking out on him in a couple of big pots earlier, and was chasing losses. Hero has played a kinda str8forward unimaginative TAGish style, down for the night and caught in 2 bluffs over the past hr. Opening most buttons.

I open to 4 KQo, 170eu active stacks. Wino calls, BB squeezes to 17. He had been attacking all dead money (straddles/misissipi straddles of the wino), playing loose and building pots pre, but seeming kinda unsure and overcautious postflop, often ending up with the wino putting him to the test on most rivers.

Preflop std flat? I call, wino calls.

Flop comes K32 rainbow. I call a cb of 25 IP, wino had checked and now folds. Turn is 5, no bdr fdr. He cbets 60ish.

I doubt he ever squeezes 33 type on the BB, A4 a possibility but still, would he bet that big ott? Does his range contain any weaker value hands like K9s-KJs?


Thanx in advance

What is your position? Is tourist positionally aware? You say he attacks dead money, does he view your open raise as dead money? Seems to me this could easily be standard 3bet = monster play, in which case you are crushed and can fold preflop.

I let it go OTT since your read is that he is cautious postflop. 3! pre, cbet, t cbet from a cautious player is > TPGK.

Him attacking your raise is different than dead money. Also, 3 way will play differently than full-ring. Has BB adjusted to that, or is he still TAG by full ring standards? What sorts of hands did he get sucked out on? It's hard to range w/out that info.

If you ranged him on:

KK+,AKs,A4s,K9s+,AKo,A4o,KJo+ we're ~31% equity. If you take out the A4 combos entirely, we're almost flipping at 47% equity. Pot odds state we need 28%+ to continue. I'd call to keep the bottom of his range in play and let him ship the remaining $68 OTR. Generally, I'd fold KQ to the 3bet pf though. I don't see that beating 50%+ of V's 3betting range.

edit: NVM, if it's implied that we stack OTR given pot and stack sizes, We'd need 36% equity. Committing 128 to win 229-rake. If your read is off & we go with WereBeer's suggestion of ranging him towards real pf strength, we're crushed. We're only good if you've been raising plenty OTB as most would in a 3way game & BTN has adjusted to that. We'd also have to assume he'd c-bet most of his 3b range. Given read that he's cautious post, we're likely behind.

Thanx for the input ppl.

Tourist seemed to lack the understanding of some fundamentals like how to proceed on given boards/how to adjust his sizing postflop. But all in all appears positionally aware and also seems to be targeting/iso the drunk. Had mucked a couple of his lost hands in big pots but his comments and disappointment on his face told me it was prolly premiums.

Kinda tired when played the hand yest, posted right after. Looking at it now I agree it is not a good spot to commit and ott I am presumably crushed. In real time I put too much emphasis on game being 3handed, also tourist's tilt. I made a horrible raise shove ott, his AA held up. In case I elected to go with my hand flat>>>raise, to keep his weaker hands/bluffs in as comments mentioned. So all in all I guess we can all agree hand is butchered.

I think that IP I can profitably call pre and let go ott due to read on tourist being pretty barrel shy. I would expect him to x his underpairs almost always.

Any further input on ppl's 3b/barreling tendencies would help tho. As a rule, are these plays sthg that u get in the low live games often or is it nuts vast majority of time? From what I get reading comments above they do not happen nowhere close to as in online games.

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I don't play 3-handed much, but think this hand depends entirely on how often V has been 3-betting. Against a standard 3-bet range of something like QQ+/AK, you're smoked and frankly should fold to the 3-bet. 3-handed though, the appropriate adjustment would be for V to 3-bet much more. If his 3-bet range has expanded enough to include K9+, then you can gii. That's a very wide 3-bet range though. Absent that read, I fold pre to the 3-bet and fold turn. IOW, don't think pre-flop is a standard call, think it's usually a fold.

I can remember ppl saying some yrs back that flatting a 3b with KQ is almost inherently wrong. With games evolving tho, in most online games and vs most villains, I tend to believe that most plrs would flat the 3b here.

For live u know better for sure, if not in given situation and vs given V, I understand the arguments for folding pre. I still believe that taking a flop and proceeding with caution is better tho. As said I expect him not to get out of line with most hands we beat, we can also utilize position and force him off some few better hands on given boards.

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Don't know about online, but in a normal live game KQo in late position is an easy raise/fold for me pre-flop, similar to AJ or AT. If I raise one of those hands and get 3-bet, even by a pretty loose player, I happily fold and silently thank them for saving me money by not flatting and putting me in a tough spot. Standard 3-bet ranges crush KQo, you need to flop top pair to be good with KQo, and if you flop top pair you face crazy RIO because AK makes up a large portion of most V's 3-bet range. Even if 3-bet ranges get slightly looser, that means they're 3-betting AQ a lot too and you're still crushed.

It's also going to be tough to force him off a better hand here. SPR in this 3-way pot is 3:1, so you're never getting him off an overpair.

You have to think to yourself. Would he ever play this line with K9 or KJ? Are you ever good to such strong barrels? I think he has AK+ and you're crushed. This is a fold on the turn for me.

Seems the bvb aggression of the online games has made me loosen up my preflop calling ranges in these spots.

Here I guess we can safely fold ott, folding pre can be also fine vs given villains. Tx all for the input

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You cant have tptk without an ace in your hand. HE might have tptk