Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
KKK on all diamond board KKK on all diamond board

01-27-2017 , 10:38 AM
I have KsKc


So there are 2 limpers pre and I raise up to 15 at 1-2 live game. get two callers including a limper.


Board comes 4d 2d Kd, I check first.

-one guy cbets close to half or 2/3 pot ie. 30-35

-the guy(villian) to his left reraises 3x (I put him on aces)


*I shove and expect to only get called by k10s or a10s*


the guy(villain) that reraised has 7d 3d I thought the pre raise got rid of bad players like him


what did I do wrong. should I have folded flop.
KKK on all diamond board Quote
01-27-2017 , 10:52 AM
I'm not checking 3 way ever on this flop. Bet for value.

So a guy raises and you think they have Aces? You're very inexperienced and you need to play more poker, hopefully it's not going to cost you too much money.

Why when you shove, do you think you're getting called by Kx and not flushes?

You need to give stack sizes.

This whole thought process of yours is a train wreck. You probably need reading material, you're lucky, this forum is exactly 1 option for reading.
KKK on all diamond board Quote
01-27-2017 , 12:28 PM
+1 to Doc's regarding your train wreck of thinking

- nowhere do you mention stack sizes; every single decision you make should revolve around stack sizes, and without knowing them I doubt I can even comment on preflop/flop play
- if you put someone on AA when they flatted a raise preflop with a caller / dead money in between, you have to work on your hand reading
- I have no idea how you narrowed the calling range down to KTs / ATs; on this board any set, two pair, flush draw or possibly even TP (especially if it has a flush draw also) is likely to call a jam
- again it is stack dependent, but if your main goal is to fold out bad players who hold 73dd preflop with KK (especially with smallish stacks where there are no implied odds), then you might want to rethink how money is made at poker

Welcome to the forums! Also +1 to the suggestion above regarding getting some NL reading material and posting hands.

Ggoodluck!G
KKK on all diamond board Quote
01-27-2017 , 02:20 PM
Stack sizes and everything you know about villains matter. That said shoving the flop after the raise is still probably fine. There are a fair number of worse hands that can call, flopping a flush is unlikely and even if somebody did you have a reasonable chance of drawing out. You can only consider folding top set if villain is so passive that you are sure his only raising hands on the flop are flushes. Leading flop would be better.

Since you checked the flop first you would have to be a blind. That being the case then preflop sizing might need to be bigger. This is very variable depending on table but at a lot of 1/2 tables I find I need to go $20/$25 out of the blinds if there are multiple limpers.

As for preflop, no raising won't get rid of villains like that. That isn't a problem because if they are calling with any two suited garbage hands they are going to lose a lot of money. They will run up your variance but if you play half decently you will come out ahead in the long run.
KKK on all diamond board Quote
01-28-2017 , 12:28 AM
Hey Matrix, Welcome. Keep posting hands. We improve fastest when we're ripped to shreds, so I second all of the comments before me. Since others have mentioned you should get some reading material, I'd suggest the following;

The Best of LLSNL

Professional No Limit Hold'Em

Concepts of the Week from the online counterpart. Just realize that online plays different, but there's enough good stuff for you to extract important overarching themes.
KKK on all diamond board Quote
01-28-2017 , 01:34 AM
Welcome, OP. In the future, please don't post results, as it biases advice. As others have said, we also need stack sizes and reads.

As others have also said, bet flop. It checking through would be a disaster. Another diamond will likely kill your action or your hand, plus you want value.

Why do you put V on aces when he only called pre-flop and raises flop? Lots of flopped flushes, smaller sets, pair +Ad, etc are also in his range here.

"I shove and expect to only get called by k10s or a10s" Why? Why not Ad8d? Why not 7d8d? etc.? Also, why are you shoving?

As for what he had, count your lucky stars that he called pre, as it was a major mistake on his part. If you had a higher flush, you stack him every time here, and rarely will you have a hand strong enough to pay you off on a monotone board. He got super lucky that you had a hand that could stack off and wasn't ahead of him, and you still had a 34% chance of improving to a full house or quads and stacking him.
KKK on all diamond board Quote

      
m