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04-13-2022 , 05:28 PM
Hello to everyone! I was playing 1/3$, had 130$. Small blind was a girl around 25, looked serious and tight. Everyone folded before me, I had KcKh on BU, raised 12$, SB called, BB folded.
(27$): Flop 9s3h9d. She checked, I decided to check. It was really dry bord, I wanted some value from her, so decided to give her free card.
(27$): turn As. She betted 12$, I called.
(51$): river 5d. She betted 16$, me?
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04-13-2022 , 05:46 PM
One of the benefits to playing a short stack is that we can always offer the exact IO we want to offer our opponents to stack us (something we should be aware of since it is highly unlikely we'll be able to get away from our hand postflop in these small SPR situations). If possible, I typically like to get in 10%+ of my stack preflop in order to very comfortably stack off postflop, plus setup an easy SPR of 4 where we can easily get stacks in over just 2 more streets if we want. So I would have gone $15 preflop, which should be viewed as completely reasonable in most 1/3 NL games. Now the difference between $12 and $15 doesn't seem like a lot, but if you do the math, we ended up offering about 28% better IO to our opponent at $12 than we would have at $15. Just something to consider.

Anyhoo, SPR is about 4, so stacks will be able to go in trivially preflop. The board is completely drawless and our hand isn't very vulnerable (ha, lol @ turn card), so in this case we're ok with drawing things out over 3 streets. Had the board been drawy, I would have PSB+ the flop to shove the rest in on the turn. But on this board, I would bet like $20 to setup stacks for the river. I don't absolutely hate the check back, but I would more do this in situations where the villain is very bluffy versus weakness or in a spot where I don't want to commit.

Unfortunate turn card which now really changes our commitment plan as we no longer want to play for stacks (as it is highly unlikely she'll pay off with worse if we attempt to do so). So easy call and evaluate river situation now.

For this river price, I'm making a sigh crying river call. We showed extreme weakness on the flop so she could sometimes be setting her own price with a pair worse than ours. We're beat a lot, but probably not enough for this call to be completely unprofitable.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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04-13-2022 , 05:47 PM
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GcluelessNLnoobG
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04-13-2022 , 06:44 PM
I'd bet 15 on flop.

Call river as played. Gonna see an A a lot but the bet is small and you checked flop so your hand looks weak.
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04-13-2022 , 09:57 PM
Fold river.
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04-14-2022 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by RockingFox
It was really dry board, I wanted some value from her, so decided to give her free card.
First statement I agree with. Second I disagree. Your hand has value on the flop so you should bet it.

AP, on the turn, if there is a chance the scare card induced a bluff, I'm calling. Call river because of pot odds. Mistake was not betting the flop.
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04-14-2022 , 10:20 AM
"All the kids are doing it" .. Currently in poker it's pretty much always a green light to bet into a paired Flop, usually 'small'. In this case I would definitely bet 10, but no more than 15. There are really no 9s in her range and you may even induce a raise from JJ/QQ. While betting 'pot' here may be OK with loose opponents, you want to charge a reasonable price to most opponents or just take it down.

While I agree that you may want to check back to some opponents to mix up your play, a tight one is not on that list. A tight Player is not going to pay you unless they have a value hand and I'm not offering a free card to a tight Player since most everything they connect with will beat you except AQ/AJ hitting the kicker, otherwise they will have an Ace or set. Perhaps you hit a K and they do too, but that's pretty rare.

You're on the B and technically you can be pretty wide here .. We don't know your table image, stack size or if you have any history with this opponent, but you should at least go for something on the Flop. This opponent is not going to lead the Turn very often when OOP and a paired Board, so you will have to pray for them to lead the River, which may not happen.

No reason to get tricky when you have an opponent pegged .. GL

PS .. as played I don't think she's going to double barrel a bluff with an Ace out there unless your image is crap. She has to be bluffing or have QQ here 20% of the time .. up to you with no shame either way.
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04-14-2022 , 10:49 AM
You played the hand fine. You can trap by checking flop with KK/AA once in a while to allow your opponent to catch up or to induce a bluff. Crappy turn card for you obviously. I would call on the river though. Looks like Ax a lot but she could be block betting a small pocket pair. Whatever, I’m a sucker for calling small bets with decent hands.
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04-14-2022 , 10:39 PM
I don't understand the trapping inclination some on here have with overpairs on bone-dry flops. Not every pot needs to double you up. I'm gonna be betting these flops with A high a lot and I'd like to have some good made hands in that betting range too.
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04-14-2022 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerknit
I don't understand the trapping inclination some on here have with overpairs on bone-dry flops. Not every pot needs to double you up. I'm gonna be betting these flops with A high a lot and I'd like to have some good made hands in that betting range too.

I can understand betting your ace highs because those hands don't have a way of winning without improving on later streets. Having big over pairs in your checking/check calling range on the flop will allow more of your medium strength hand get to showdown without appearing weak.
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