Hero/BB(400): Young 20s whitey, probably viewed as looser end of the TAG spectrum. Putting alot of pressure on people so on and so forth. showing down goods however.

Villian/Btn(185): Young 20s whitey, have seen him a few times. not super memorable or splashy.

Old guy in EP open shoves for 11.
folds to BTN who calls.
Hero in BB with KdKc 3bets 36
Btn tanks for a minute and calls.

Flop (84) 752dd

Hero bets 55 ( slightly on the small side now that i've looked at it, No?)
Btn Shoves for 159.

298 in pot

Villian doesn't look very happy or comfortable. His arms are crossed and his face is kind of red.

Hero?

Call.

Your bet sizing is fine. If he has it he has it, can't fold for $100 more.

so OP is black or asian?

Snapcall turn

A very famous tell that he prolly spent the day at the beach and got a sunburn.
I never know what to do with those tells as they can significate either that Villain is super excited about his hand or that he's very nervous...

Against his range of overpairs, sets and FD, you have about 60% equity.
You have to call 100 to take 300 and need 25% equity, it's a snapcall.

lol @ shoving $11. Nobody is going to tell you to fold here. Standard.

So we have K K
and flop is: 7 5 2?

Pot is 298
It costs us 104 to call?

Most good Vs are doing this with 2 pair or a set. But on this board, there's so much more that's out there...
His range includes ANY pp - 22+, ANY AX, any 34, 46 and 68...
there's just too much that we beat or are way ahead of to fold since the only description you have of V is he's "whitey."

But honestly, I gotta think you're beat since his shove is such an easy call for you... so he's got to realize he's got no fold equity.

Since you're posting this hand on 2+2, my guess is you lost the hand and are looking for answers as to how you could have played it better.

My advice to you would be get past the "whitey, young 20" external descriptions and start to categorize your opponents as tight, loose, aggressive, passive, plays only his hand, plays his opponents' hands... etc.
Watch careful your Vs tendencies and the hands they show down. Watch their bet sizing and the hands they show up with when they shove. What hands do they call raises with? Note how their ranges change (or not) based on their position. Hope this helps.

Snap call. He would make this play with a flush draw, over-pair, or maybe even 7x (in addition to combos that beat us). Our range is crushing his range, and we are getting about 3:1 on a call.

^This

I'd 3! a little more pre. Maybe to $40-$42.

Yes, a little more PF for my taste ... $25 into $58 could be a pretty wide range of holdings. You will be HU in side pot but I would like to see you have him pay more for position in this hand. Bad luck that you got this hand against a short stack.

Flop lead bet is fine since the side is so small ... you are actually looking to get shoved on here.

AP you are calling here ... probably AQ/QJd/TTd or something most of the time. GL

So, here is what we've got:
we have K K
flop: 7 5 2?
pot: 298
we got to call 104

The other dude could have just fold and not bet his last $159 after your $55 flop c-bet, but he did. So, you think he's got nothing? or He's got one pair hand? - No!, he's got you beat at this time. When he shoves his last $159 he knows he's not getting folding equity (FE) and he would not shove if he thinks he's not ahead of any OP (including AA you may have).

If you call another $104 to win $298 it may look OK to you but what you get is only 3:1 on the money. Since you have way less then 3:1 to improve your KK to a set with two cards to come the correct play would be the hard core (HC) fold when you know you are behind. If you can make just a few HC plays you practically can be 100% a winner in every session/day you play. But most people cannot do that. I can. I don't know about you in this hand

No he's not. Most people play their cards and are not FE aware. They look down, they see an OP, they see a good FD, they push. They don't automatically put their opponent on KK+ after an open-raise and a small c-bet, and even if they do they'll hope they'll get lucky.
Don't you see all day long people pushing their draws in bad situations, pushing JJ on a low board hoping they're not behind? I do.

How easily such a strategy can be counterfeit? So we just raise small your bets and you'll level yourself into a "he wouldn't raise so small if he didn't have a monster!"

Frankly I was so intrigued by your post that I just took a look to your profile and your other posts and I am not surprised to find out that you're a patented and proud nit always advocating to make super tight folds in every situations, and looking at the world through nitty lenses that make you believe that whenever someone makes the tiniest raise, we should instamuck.

Often enough

Call, lol

Call.

snap call.

So, it's 3:1 holding KK and head's up.

Easy call. As others have said, there is so much that you are ahead of here. With the odds you're getting I think a fold is terrible.

if he made a set he paid too much for it. if he has AA he would have stacked you anyways. don't worry about it. easy call.

No, you are wrong in your judgement. I'm not advocating super nit but to be honest .., for every strategy we can find a counterfeit-strategy. So, What is to be done? ( a quote from Lenin) ..lol..lol. Well, for sure there's more way to play a situation.

I may be super nit but I win consistently here in Vegas. What I may lose in being too much of a nit I can gain back easily by playing a little longer. How about that? Is that a workable formula to earn my daily bread playing cards? ...lol

Here is the essence of how things are and how it should be done. This little story od me will open your mind and help some other dudes too.

I first learned from my grandmother how to play Monopoly long time ago. My grandmother was a wonderful person she coached me how to play the game of Monopoly. She understood that the name of the game was to acquire. She will accumulate everything she could and eventually she become the master of the board. And she will always say the same thing to me; she would say: “One day you will learn how to play the game”

One summer I played Monopoly almost every day all day long, and in that summer I learned how to play the game. I come to understand that the only way to win I had to make a total commitment to acquisition. I come to understand that money in possession is the way to keep the score. And by the end of that summer I was more ruthless than my grandmother. I was ready to bend the rules if I had to win the game. And I sad down with her to play that fall. I took everything she had, I watch her give her last dollar and quit in utter defeat.

And then she had one more thing to teach me; She said: “Now everything goes back in the box” All those houses and hotels, all those railroads and utilities companies, all that property and all that wonderful money, now all has got to go back in that box. “None of all was really yours” she said.., “You got it hid it all for a while” ..., “All that property was there long before you sat down at the board and it will be there after you’re gone. .., Player come and players go”...,

Houses and cars, titles and clothes, even your body, because the fact is: everything I consume and coach it’s going back in the box. I’m gonna lose it all back in the end.

You have to ask yourself: When you finally get to the all time high, when you make to ultimate purchase, when you buy the ultimate home, when you have the ultimate financial security and climb the ladder of success ..., and the thrill wares off, and it will ware off. Than what? - How far you have to walk that road? - before you see where it leads?

Surely, you understand, it will never be enough. So, you have to ask yourself the question: “What matters?”

a lot of LLSNL would do well to listen to advice like this.

i agree with your reasoning that villain is not bluffing. but does he give us AA? he may believe a worse hand is good.

I adhere 100% to this very nice story about the vacuity of goods accumulation.

But let's not get carried too far from our main problem.
In such a spot the question is not either Villain has a set or not.
Everything revolves around one question : "In this spot, can Villain also shoves with flush draws and perhaps overpairs ?" (I don't say "will only", I say "can")
Given the description of Villain, or rather its lack of description, the answer is yes.
The real question is not even either he "can" shove those hands, because I remind you that we only need 25% equity to make the call, but will he do a small fraction of the time?
The answer is an obvious yes, because people routinely push their draws.
If Villain looks down at his cards and see the Ad8d, it would be totally unrealistic to assert that he will never ever push.
Vs a range of sets, FDs and a few overpair our equity is 60% (!!!), it's very far from being even close.

I too adhere 100% to your logic about playing poker correctly. You are absolutely on the spot. I agree and I congratulate you. But you still make enough with a less accurate strategy and don't have to squeese all the edge from every situation in ordert to get enough money at the end of the month.

I probably was misunderstood in my analysis of that situation when we faced the shove with our KK. But on the other hand I don't have to play 100% efficient in order to show a profit for my living expenses. If I need a little more cash I always play a little longer to make up the difference.

Yes, sometime I fold the best hand in order to manage risk. But the bottom line is that always I manage to have enough at the end of the month for my addiction to food and lodging. I mean,..., how do I need to live here in Vegas? - Not much at all.

So, "What matters?"

Give yourself KK. Then give your opponent a pocket pair or suited connectors. Shove every flop and have your opponent only call when they have 2-pair or a set. Then deal the rest of the deck out.

See how much money you make and how much your opponent loses.

Deal the cards a few dozen times.

That's how you can learn about pot commitment, low SPR flops, and why set-mining/playing suited connectors with 20% of your stack pre-flop is a bad idea -- or at least it's a bad idea unless you can get Hero to fold lots of low-SPR flops.