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KK vs fish on 10 high board KK vs fish on 10 high board

02-21-2016 , 02:52 AM
HERO: White guy, mid-30s, stagnant/tight image, break-even session thus far, well known by V, much history with V, HERO made a perceived tight fold earlier this session w/K10ss on a A Qs 7 4s turn & flipped my cards up accidentally when mucking OTT, entire table gave me ****, V saw it happen

V1: wealthy retired professional guy (early 60s), loves to play poker in his spare time (basically all the time), lives for ginormous pots, not afraid to GII, definite loser overall in this game, the kind of fish we all like in our games, calls way to wide pre, only folds flop when he completely whiffs

2/5 NL

bb ($450) HERO: K K

mp (covers) V1: ? ?

Pre: folds to V1 who makes it $20, 2 callers, Hero raises to $100, V1 only caller.

Pot ~$235
Flop: 10 7 2

HERO?

Thanks
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02-21-2016 , 02:55 AM
$145 and shove all turns
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02-21-2016 , 04:23 AM
I'd bet small like 110, you should have his range crushed , a big bet screams you have an over pair. And than shove turn it would be 240 into 455
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02-21-2016 , 11:23 AM
Bet about 1/2 pot and hope he got a small piece due to your profile of him.
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02-21-2016 , 11:35 AM
I actually make a solid bet. There's a lot that calls. Anywhere from $125-$150. Makes turn trivial.
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02-21-2016 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by wj94
$145 and shove all turns
This.

Lol at your 3!. If he's willing to call it, then it's a great bet.
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02-21-2016 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush
This.

Lol at your 3!. If he's willing to call it, then it's a great bet.
You realize that it's not that much bigger than a pot-sized raise, right?

As for the hand, I'd bet $120 and shove almost every turn.
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02-21-2016 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
As for the hand, I'd bet $120 and shove almost every turn.
Which turn would you not shove?
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02-21-2016 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by iHomer
Which turn would you not shove?
Not loving a spade or a 10.
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02-21-2016 , 12:13 PM
Bet $110-150, shove turn. I'm pausing if turn is spade, ten or ace, but otherwise shipping quick. Scare card, might look for a live read, try to get feel.
He opened and call a big raise preflop, he can easily have 99, JJ, QQ, so even a T on the turn, it's probably going in.
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02-21-2016 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveyouoweme$80k
You realize that it's not that much bigger than a pot-sized raise, right?
Without history, the raise size is pretty ridiculous. You don't want to narrow your opponents continuing range to exactly AA. In the games that I play in, you would get zero action on this 3-bet unless you are a maniac that is doing this on a regular basis.
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02-21-2016 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush
Without history, the raise size is pretty ridiculous. You don't want to narrow your opponents continuing range to exactly AA. In the games that I play in, you would get zero action on this 3-bet unless you are a maniac that is doing this on a regular basis.
wealthy retired professional guy (early 60s), loves to play poker in his spare time (basically all the time), lives for ginormous pots, not afraid to GII, definite loser overall in this game, the kind of fish we all like in our games, calls way to wide pre, only folds flop when he completely whiffs


villain's description. sizing is fine.
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02-21-2016 , 12:24 PM
With one caller it seems rather standard for the 3 bet. I can't see a 10 being that scary. How many Tx hands does he have?
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02-21-2016 , 12:56 PM
There's one guy I sometimes play against that fits this V's description. He almost always raises and calls pretty much any RR. I think the largest I've gone so far is 200 over his 25 with a couple of callers (500 effective stacks). He called. I think he had Q9, maybe suited. Next time I get the chance, it's going to be 250 and on up until I find his limit.

Anyway, for this hand 150 on the flop, 200 on the turn. Any turn. Yeah, T or spades have some pucker factor, but we're completely and joyfully committed with SPR 1.5 against this guy.
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02-21-2016 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
$145 and shove all turns
Looks good.
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02-21-2016 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush
Without history, the raise size is pretty ridiculous. You don't want to narrow your opponents continuing range to exactly AA. In the games that I play in, you would get zero action on this 3-bet unless you are a maniac that is doing this on a regular basis.
This game is one of the best in town. Not your typical casino lineup, these guys love to gamble for big pots.

I could fold every hand pre for 2 hours, then all of a sudden make this same play, and get callers all day long. These guys don't care, they're not paying attention all that much, esp this fish in particular.
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02-21-2016 , 11:22 PM
If he loves to play for big pots, why not push on the flop? From our perspective, he's not getting the right odds to call. From his perspective, he's in exactly the kind of pot he wants to play.
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02-21-2016 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Curious
If he loves to play for big pots, why not push on the flop? From our perspective, he's not getting the right odds to call. From his perspective, he's in exactly the kind of pot he wants to play.
Well Mr. Curious, funny you should ask That's exactly what this HERO did.
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02-21-2016 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rufus2012
Well Mr. Curious, funny you should ask That's exactly what this HERO did.
I think that's a fine way to play it, as well.
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02-22-2016 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
I think that's a fine way to play it, as well.
Roger that Willy
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02-22-2016 , 02:08 AM
I like the shove for the psychological reason that it automatically creates the big pot HE craves. He might call with his entire range, even bottom pair.
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02-22-2016 , 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Raeed561
I'd bet small like 110, you should have his range crushed
that's expensive
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