Once you check, he's shoving any overpair. "Clearly" you have AK. Nice trap, now call.

This is lame, you put in 1/3 of your stack and want to check fold? Are you high?

This is probably the easiest call in the world, especially since 1) he prolly won't flat AA pre in that spot and 2) he put you on AK DUH!


OMFG, folding face up in that spot is worthy of a Darwin Award.

@masaraksh

If he put me on AK, is pushing is TJ wise on his part (not that 1-2 players are always wise...)?

so you folded? did you get to see his hand?

See entry #6, I folded, he showed JTs of non-flush suit. Bad read, won't make that mistake again!

That's what bluffing is. you put your opponent on a better hand and you try to bet them off it.

That is bluffing, and the weakness of most 1-2 players is *calling* too much. I don't bluff most people unless they have proven themselves to be smart enough to fold.

This reminds me of a hand I played in LV, 1/3$ NL last year with $350 effective stacks. I had KK and got 4 bet preflop. In general, by nearly any live low stakes player a 3 or 4 bet means business. I'd say this is QQ+ 90% of the time and AK or JJ the other 10%. I think this goes up a level or 2 when the guy is like 45+. So anyway, in the hand I played I felt exactly the same.. "ahh sh*t.. AA vs KK.. rebuy coming"

I smoothed the 4 bet preflop (it was like $70 or something I think) and the flop came 10 high. In this case, Villain is like 40ish and indian (eastern, not american). I checked, he shoved, I tanked and called. He showed AK and spiked an ace on the turn.

I guess my feeling about the KK vs AA situation at these stakes is just get the $$$ in unless ultra deep. If the board is 9 high, a 4-bet situation preflop, their range almost always includes QQ too and some bluffs so you are always +EV IMO.

Doyle always has AA in this spot, plz fold.

In 1/2 w/ those stacks? Unless you have a sick read...I'm going to stack preflop. If I am real deep and FACING a 4-bet...I could lay it down. People are 1/2 Live are f*cking ******s.

This is almost like asking if we should fold pre.

It's sick, but if he puts you on AK and figures that his preflop play indicates strength, he pushes you off your hand and has backup equity ~25% in case you call.
My point was who cares what he actually had, his range includes pocket pairs who you've given a reason to think are ahead. So he bets his whole stack to get you to make the laydown of a live hand.
If he had AA why would he shove this harmless flop but not preflop? (Yeah, I know he could have AA but still.....)

TJ? this grampa's got some game in him!

@808

Yes, he had some game. I slapped him on the back, congratulated him on a hand well played as was mystified that he had it in him!

I have learned a lot from that hand, especially is that the math bears out that until my soul reads are really ****ing good, you gotta make a crying call.

GA

i wouldn't read too much into the results of this hand. the fact that he had TJ is f*cking weird. but you should have ranged him better than you did IMO. that's the thing to take away

I was once five-bet PF and had KK and made a hero fold ultradeep.

He showed....KK.

I am not folding them anymore.

yeah Im not sure why you narrowed his range to ONLY AA here I mean doesn't he have QQ just as often or even more often assuming he is going to 5bet AA a decent % of the time?

Hand would be pretty well played if you c/snapped the flop.

Simple,

MUB...

Monsters Under the Bed....

We've all been guilty of it on some occassion

I'd probably get it in here.

I don't fault you for folding, you had a read and went with it.

He has AA quite frequently in a situation like this.

The JTs is an aberration. An older player doesn't stick $100 in preflop and then jam another $200 on the flop (when he's likely to get called due to board texture) with some silly hand preflop that is now complete air. If you're winning on the flop, it's because he has QQ or, once in awhile, JJ.

It would seem that this fold was fine since the tone of this posts suggests that your opponent was only doing this with AA or KK. With KK you do not fare well against this range.