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05-11-2021 , 02:24 AM
Hi all,

2/5, V is rec but he is decent. V isos UTG1 over UTG limp to $25, hero KsKd BTN $75, fun SB calls, V calls. $700 eff.

Flop ($225): Kh-Qs-3h. Hero $150, folds to V who calls.

Turn ($525): Jh. V checks, Hero? $450 left. If we bet we are pot committed obv.

Thanks,
DT
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05-11-2021 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
Hi all,

2/5, V is rec but he is decent. V isos UTG1 over UTG limp to $25, hero KsKd BTN $75, fun SB calls, V calls. $700 eff.

Flop ($225): Kh-Qs-3h. Hero $150, folds to V who calls.

Turn ($525): Jh. V checks, Hero? $450 left. If we bet we are pot committed obv.

Thanks,
DT
I'm trying to figure out how you're not already pot committed. Flush, or not possible, I'm looking to get stacks in ... unless you have some kind of read on V that tells you he hit the flush already. It would have to be a hell of a read though, possible, but not usually dependable.
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05-11-2021 , 05:42 AM
Check behind. You want to keep his potential bluffing range as wide as possible and if you are behind, getting a free card is good.
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05-11-2021 , 07:43 AM
I'd X back.

Probably 5-6 flushes in his 3B calling range, and while we miss some value from combos like AhQx, willing to risk a freebie.
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05-11-2021 , 09:15 AM
Against an unknown prefer a check here because your KK really cuts down the hands that you beat that villain can have that are willing to stack off. If you bet again here all of his non-flush hands have to decide also if they are willing to go all the way, even something as good as AQ might fold. Can't say that betting and calling it off is bad though and certainly is the correct play against some villains.

If you play with villain on a regular basis though you should be able to do better in this situation. What sort of range does villain raise then call your 3 bet? Roughly what portion of that is flush draws when he calls flop? How sticky will he be with other hands?
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05-11-2021 , 09:16 AM
I jam turn, his range has lots of worse hands that will call and we have outs if needed
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05-11-2021 , 10:19 AM
I don't see how you do anything but shove here
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05-11-2021 , 12:27 PM
Why are you betting flop so big? We have top set. This gets folds from both vs 90% of the time.

As played idk, it probably doesn't matter what you do. If you don't want to play poker and just take your equity then sure just jam. You're only getting called by flushes straights and other sets tho. V probably folds all two pairs and AK tho

I would check it back and hope the fourth heart doesn't hit. If it doesn't and v jams then Im puke folding. Your flop bet is just too big. It narrows his range down to other sets, good fds, AK and KQ.

Check back to keep other hands in his range and hope to get a half pot vbet called by worse on the river. Can't stress how much I hate the flop bet size tho
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05-11-2021 , 01:15 PM
Grunch - jam turn suck out on AT… though with the SPR just gii, no choice
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05-11-2021 , 02:37 PM
Flop bet does seem a little large, but I'd bet that amount so that I can reasonably jam turn, so jam turn. If he has it, he has it. I don't like giving a free card here.
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05-11-2021 , 02:49 PM
Aside from a flush draw, I can't think of a hand he's calling with on the flop that you aren't beating...and, unless he's super loose preflop, there are only a couple of those (AQ, A10, Q10) most players will call for a three bet OOP. A lot of players will also CR a flush/straight combo draw on the flop...which didn't happen here.

I ship it every time, unless you have a really good read on a regular opponent.

Even he has it, you're 20% to win...

I'd rather lose the $165 than have some random broadway/4th heart come and lose that way...either by being bluffed off or making a losing crying call.
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05-11-2021 , 03:17 PM
I went for a larger sizing otf because board is draw-heavy, and open/calls and cold-calling ranges are going to have QQ much of the time. V probably didn't have many flush combos to iso from EP over a limp, he's on the tighter side. I would not exepect as wide as T9hh for instance. Maybe one combo of AQhh, sometimes AJhh/AThh that didn't raise flop (3 combos). If he has exactly a flush checking is best. We unblock hearts and block top pair. He could have QQ that didn't raise flop with the fd out there (3 combos), random slowplayed AA (6 combos). Seems close, slightly favoring checking if you discount some AA and QQ since I wouldn't expect slowplays with a cold caller in the SB with AA and on a draw-heavy flop with a set.

Last edited by DumbosTrunk; 05-11-2021 at 03:23 PM.
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05-11-2021 , 04:56 PM
If you think he only has two combos that beat you (AJhh not possible), has some combos of worse hands that will call, and he's not putting any more money in unimproved, then checking only gives him infinite odds to improve.
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05-11-2021 , 04:57 PM
The board might be draw heavy but his range isn't at all. If we bet small and this turn comes off we can navigate accordingly.

He doesn't have many fds (the ones you listed) and probably zero (or close to zero) JTs.

It's great he called but at least half the hands that call ur flop bet check raise a smaller bet and we get to keep all the okish hands in his range that are drawing dead.

These are the spots that can turn us from a winner to a crusher. Trying to cooler people and ignoring the majority of their range when we block almost everything that can call big bets is a very common massive leak

Last edited by drowski; 05-11-2021 at 05:20 PM.
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