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KK in SB , 150-200 deep table KK in SB , 150-200 deep table

12-11-2013 , 02:05 PM
Table is active; nearly all are 150-200 bb deep, often straddled

I have been seated for about 1 hr – semi reg and have LAG image, though have only shown 1 hand to this point, and play for this 1 hr has been limited

Hero – KK in SB, straddled pot – 6 limps to me (really) – I make it $60

2 callers, pot $220+

1 caller Villain is competent reg, younger player, he covers me (we each are 200bb) and can play and think at same time. Other caller not relevant, on button.

Flop 10 – 6 – 2 rainbow

I lead for $100

Villain calls, button folds – pot $400+

I range him from 66 + pairs to A-10+ ss pre - now with the call, I'd narrow to Ax with 1 pair, 22, 6,6-10,10

So… turn bet size? Check? (I did not ask about pre sizing, as I know that if I made it $30+ it very likely would have been called by all at table – couple times straddles had been opened to $30 and 5 to the flop)
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12-11-2013 , 02:09 PM
1/2 pot if turn is a rainbow brick. 2/3 if
not
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12-11-2013 , 02:36 PM
is this 2/5 or 1/2? Kinda important for stack size info Also, what's the turn card?


Assuming 2/5 and $1000 deep, I think I would bet/fold $250 on most turn cards.
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12-11-2013 , 02:38 PM
I assumed 2/5 since he raised to $60 pre
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12-11-2013 , 02:42 PM
Also, I would raise to $90 or $100 preflop (assuming 2/5). 6 limpers + straddle makes it an $80 pot with your call included. $60 is unlikely to get it heads up, and you will be left playing a big pot OOP against multiple villains.
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12-11-2013 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CT007
I range him from 66 + pairs to A-10+ ss pre - now with the call, I'd narrow to Ax with 1 pair, 22, 6,6-10,10
If he sees you as LAG like you said you are then he can easily have a ton of 10's in his range here like T8 or TJ. You're a LAG - it's unlikely you have a pair or hit this flop - you're just c-betting like you always do.
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12-11-2013 , 03:19 PM
Hero needs to raise more PF here. I like the $90-110 range here, should make villains think about whether or not they would want to get AI with their preflop holdings later in the hand. The $60 bet is weak and gives implied odds to encourage set-mining (some players wouldn't drop low suited connectors to this range in this pot). As played, I'm probably betting about 210-220 on the turn, any more than that isn't going to have an effect on Vs range here.
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12-11-2013 , 04:00 PM
Never bet/fold here.

either check/ call or bet/ call turn (depending on v tendencies). You guys have no idea how exploitable we are bet/folding a blank turn when all villain can have is 66/22 and all we can have that presumably bet/calls turn is TT. Suck it up nits, big cooler if villain has us here.
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12-11-2013 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Barbra Streisand
Never bet/fold here.

either check/ call or bet/ call turn (depending on v tendencies). You guys have no idea how exploitable we are bet/folding a blank turn when all villain can have is 66/22 and all we can have that presumably bet/calls turn is TT. Suck it up nits, big cooler if villain has us here.
Who said bet fold? We're almost always ahead on the flop, not many cards can help V on the turn, my suggestion was betting for value
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12-11-2013 , 04:58 PM
2/5
Hero $1200
villain $1500

If bet to protect vs set mine.. Then you would bet 11% of stack ..
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12-11-2013 , 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbra Streisand
Never bet/fold here.

either check/ call or bet/ call turn (depending on v tendencies). You guys have no idea how exploitable we are bet/folding a blank turn when all villain can have is 66/22 and all we can have that presumably bet/calls turn is TT. Suck it up nits, big cooler if villain has us here.

Depends how competent this villain is. If he raises, we don't beat any hand in his value range, and there are no draws. So, it's sets, air, or a 1-pair hand that he is turning into a bluff. You call if you think there's a decent chance he has air or is capable of turning a made hand into a bluff. Against a standard LLSNL villain, Baluga theory applies.
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12-11-2013 , 05:05 PM
Also, the turn card is important. Anything 8 or above brings 2-pair into his value range.
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12-11-2013 , 05:56 PM
c/r the turn seems like a good idea if it's a blank. If he checks back you can always go 3/4 pot on the river.
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12-11-2013 , 11:00 PM
Turn - 3 , now with 2 diamonds

I bet $100 , villain goes all in
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12-12-2013 , 11:25 AM
is the T a diamond? if not, you pretty much have to call, since his range would contain lots of Tdxd type hands.


Meh, you probably have to call now anyway since you made 2 really weak bets and villain could be responding to that weakness. But, this is pretty villain dependant. If this is the type of villain who will attack weakness, it's a call.
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12-12-2013 , 01:31 PM
10d 6h 2s 3d

I think the turn bet of $100 is weak, I agree - but once V called flop bet, V's not straight floating - it may only be a piece of the flop , but its something.

V all in on the turn is way more likely to be made hand , more likely protecting and expecting me to possibly get sucked into a call with an over pair.

Bluffing that big is not too often seen.

I open fold - V shows 2 pair - hit 3 on the turn - had 2-3 ....suited
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12-12-2013 , 01:43 PM
Bad turn bet (too small).
Fold turn ok.
Why open fold? Why? Why? Why? Especially a good opponent? Makes NO sense.
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12-12-2013 , 02:20 PM
What's with the small lead on the flop?
I would err a little more towards the larger side of half pot. I'd like $115-$120. Whatever. Prolly not a big deal.

Turn wtf?

$100 into $420?
Are you trying to get bluff raised? Are you trying to give up? You are you trying to give any possible conceivable draw that he just picked up the right odds to call you?

Bet $250-$280 as other people have said. Or check raise if it's a blank, like someone else said. I prefer to bet/bet/ then either bet if they are passive or check/(call/raise) if they are aggressive. Keeps them paying to draw, lets them buff on the river and get snapped off.
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12-12-2013 , 03:50 PM
I m ok with the $100 flop - 1/2 pot bet - if I'm playing to get worse hands to call .. I can see the larger - $125+. But not necessarily

The turn bet of $100. I knew it was a bad bet as soon as it hit felt - would have been better to check call a $150 - $200 bet or fold to more than just flip the black chip out - lost my head there

The open fold ... Normally I don't show. But to this V I was ok with it
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