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10-14-2010 , 10:33 PM

APokerJoker2

adept

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 770

Live 1-3 NL at Treasure Island.

I have a semi loose image but have some respect, Villain on my left is a reg and is TAG but semi weak and plays ABC poker. 9 handed Hero($225) UTG+2, Villain($250) on my immediate left.
Hero K

UTG limps, Hero raises to $16
Villain calls $16
3 callers including UTG limper
4 to the flop, Pot: $66
Flop:Q

UTG checks
Hero bets $36, Villain Bets All in $234
2 folds
Action on our Hero...
One thought, Villain NEVER 3-bets preflop to one raise so I know that AA and QQ are in his range.
It's a VERY strong bet with 2 callers behind and my bet.
What do you do?

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10-14-2010 , 10:40 PM

Scorcho28

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 134

Dump it. MAYBE he shoves here w/ AQ, but that's the only thing you realistically beat in this spot

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10-14-2010 , 11:01 PM

HammerDad

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 300

What the villain never wakes up with Axhh here? Like A4, A10, AJ hh?

Not sure I let this go given the chances we are flipping with a flush draw. But I am a fish.

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10-14-2010 , 11:05 PM

Scorcho28

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 134

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Originally Posted by HammerDad

What the villain never wakes up with Axhh here? Like A4, A10, AJ hh?

Not sure I let this go given the chances we are flipping with a flush draw. But I am a fish.

That seems like a ridiculous amount to re-raise. I can see a check raise with a nut flush draw for sure, but for the whole stack? I dunno, I just don't see it.

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10-14-2010 , 11:09 PM

HammerDad

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 300

Pot is $102, villain only has a touch more then 2x pot with $234. Given hero's admittance to appearing laggy, he may feel like a semi-bluff raise is realistic.

But then again, I play bad and see hands where I am winning when not.

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10-14-2010 , 11:10 PM

dangomango

adept

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,004

i think this is a fold given villain is "semi weak and plays ABC poker"
but if he really plays abc then will he shove flop with a set? 2 pair?
if villain who is aggressive with draws and such
then this is possible call

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10-15-2010 , 12:42 AM

APokerJoker2

adept

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 770

I called....He showed Aces.

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10-15-2010 , 02:10 AM

grindme

adept

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 746

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Originally Posted by APokerJoker2

I called....He showed Aces.

Dont post results so soon!

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10-15-2010 , 07:41 AM

Cbarton

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,304

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Originally Posted by APokerJoker2

I called....He showed Aces.

Unfortunately, you "should" lose with KK to AA. if the flop comes KT4 he puts you on AK and you win.

If he re-raises preflop are you folding? No. You lose anyway.

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10-15-2010 , 07:50 AM

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DeeKay

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Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 597

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Originally Posted by Cbarton

Unfortunately, you "should" lose with KK to AA. if the flop comes KT4 he puts you on AK and you win.

If he re-raises preflop are you folding? No. You lose anyway.

This. I go broke here 100%, especially if I've got a LAG image. Weak-tights sometimes will get fed up with getting pushed around and will ship AQ/KQ/KJ here.

Plus, and I give credit to dgiharris for this one, folding overpairs at 1/3 is akin to lighting money on fire.

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10-15-2010 , 08:23 AM

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rocketman74

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 391

Villian took a huge risk letting 4 people see the flop.....someone in easily could have had Q10.

As played I think I would have called too....seemed like AQ or flush draw.

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10-15-2010 , 08:49 AM

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Scorcho28

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 134

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Originally Posted by DeeKay

I'm kind of surprised by this. Any time I play at this level and someone makes a raise this huge. Overpairs get absolutely crushed. Is it really that common for someone to take a stand by shoving in at this point with overs?

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10-15-2010 , 09:24 AM

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monkeymaps

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,971

you guys really expect to be ahead here against a weak TAG who plays ABC?
also flop cbet is too small Id bet more like 45-50
AQ and FD's are the only hands we would hope to see here and described villain is not likely to be over shoving this flop with either of them even if he has AJ of hearts which is only ONE combo we are less than flipping.

Pretty easy fold IMO.

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