Yes this.

I've laid down QQ pre a handful of times. And a decent amount of times I was wrong. But KK is tough it would have to be some sick 5 bet deep from omc or some nit who has only played 4 hands in 3 hours for me to consider laying down KK. Too many times when I'm not in the hand I see crazy insane action pre and think in my head "so sick, AA vs KK" sometimes I'm right most of the time I'm not. You see some of the hands these villains flip up and it's like wtf really? why?

The way you played it tho. Flatting KK on the button (I think you said you had button or LP) you can never ever ever fold. You are so insane ridiculously underrepped as others have mentioned. This would actually be a brilliant play if blinds or original raiser had some squeezes in them.

Wow I have dreams about getting KK or AA on the button then I just wake up with sticky underwear

Waiting for results where both V's have AA.

lol. other day made a pretty big raise pre with QQs and got called in 3 spots. Bet flop and second caller raises and third player jams. I fold and both of them show AAs.

God this situation makes me puke every time. I have to say I've faced this at least 4 or 5 times this year in very similar situations. At least 4 out of the 5 times one villain had AA. One time I folded and the villains showed up with QQ, JJ and The Jacks rivered a set. Even if you get your money in good it's a sweat. I think it's closer in this situation given villain types, but I think I don't mind folding here.

Honeslty, there are probably much bigger leaks in your game then getting it in with KK preflop everytime you're dealt it.

Care to explain that a bit further?

I didn't mean you specifically, I just mean, that at these stakes, if yo never folded KK pre, yo probably wouldn't be doing anything wrong.

Basically, against ranges of an entire field of villains at 1/2, if you never fold KK pre you do not have any major leak.

In my last 100 hours (two months) I folded KK pre 0 times, and averaged 12bb/hr.

Completing 58 in the sb is an example of a much larger / more common leak

IMA go ahead and close this thread because it looks like you have it all figured out and it was more a lesson to teach us all not to "flip" for stacks aipf with KK.


These KK fold preflop threads just never work out. I wonder why.