1/3 NLH in TX

Hero ($1.3k) 30s WG

V ($1k) 30s AG

Villain just sat down, he has not played a hand yet.

V limps utg
Fish ($300) raises to $20 +1
Hero 3! CO to $65 w/ K K
V limp re-raise 4! $200
fish folds
Hero calls

FLOP ($424): 10 6 2

V checks
Hero bets $150
V check raise jams $800

Wow, 300 BB deep I think I xb the flop. He either got QQ+ or AK. Most likely AA I guess. You can just hope he barrels AK on the turn.

AP it's a snap fold. Either aces or a brain-dead opponent. And you don't know that yet.

When he checks the flop I thank my lucky stars and check it back.

AP this is a brutal spot because you know nothing about this guy. He could be a total nut job but if not, he has AA. I fold, hating it, but knowing deep down it’s clearly the right play.

Not folding versus 30s Asian guy in Texas.

Lol, this must be some code for maniac that hates money I'm not familiar with. Otherwise stacking off here for 300bb plus seems a bad idea.

Not sure about the Asian stereotype…

But it’s a Texas 1/3 which means it can play more like a 2/5 in terms of opening size, stack size and aggression of opponents. Not uncommon to see $2-3k stacks … this hand isn’t quite so deep given the large open.

FWIW it's an uncapped 1/3 game, it plays more like a 2/5 or 5/10. There were 4 stacks over 1k. Normal open $20-$25.

Also when I said he hasn't played a hand yet, I mean this is literally the first hand he was dealt.

With virtually no reads, would have checked the flop. As played and holding two blockers to AK, easy laydown. If he's doing this with QQ-, you'll be able to take his money later.

Check flop back

As played, im a fish and call this guy.

So the thing is even with two blockers to AK if he's doing this with all AK then he still has 6 combos of AA and 8 combos of AK. And with AK he is also blocking AA and KK, and is "upcapped", so can assume it'll be easier to get you to fold QQ/JJ.

I might still lay it down, but I don't think it's easy and if opening size is regularly 6.5x bb then as others said it's not really 300bb deep and we kind of have the 2nd best hand and you can't win by folding.


Probably the safest thing to do is work out what your range is, if you are calling the 4bet with only AA/KK then fold and if you are calling with KK/QQ/JJ then call. If calling with AA/KK/QQ/JJ/TT ... meh, probably have to flip a coin.

Will we though?

Where did the fish raise from? Cuz the more LP, the more wide this whole configuration can be, but the more EP the more tighter it likely is.

Anyhoo, I don't play deepstack. And I'm not sure how easily $1K stacks fly in in these types of TX games. Limp/4bet is obviously very strong. As is check/shoving the flop. But is it KK-JJ enough? Probably?

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This. I mean it is his first hand. I can’t wait to get shown 1010 but also cant wait to get shown 82o

There was a similar hand posted not too long ago where the complete unknown villain ran a similar line, hero folded KK and got shown A4o or something. Can Haz Blockers to AA!

I can’t fold here, you have to keep random spew in his range because it’s literally the first hand he’s dealt. People do all kind of crazy stuff on the first hand like show airballs for the lulz. If its AA or TT it’s a cooler. This is not a standard 1/3 game with standard 1/3 sizings. You are much shallower in this game (which is playing more like a 2/5 game with standard opens to 20 and 25 and average stack of 1k)


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lol i bet if you posted the same hand but said you checked back the flop and the turn was an ace then all these people would be saying "omg how can you check back the flop"

folding is a torch

even the biggest self proclaimed nit is saying call cmon

Given the limp-4bet, he's probably value-heavy and I don't see AK doing this enough for you to call as played. Just gotta suck it up if he has the case kings

I agree with the 1st half of your post.

But from V's point he 4-bet and got called, if V has JJ or QQ do they really risk a check back and seeing an A or K on the turn ?

UTG limp then 4 is the latest trend on playing AA
thou check jam flop is a great bluff rep of AA

nobody thinks hero should have 5-bet pre ?

That's not how poker works.

Reasons to bet flop:
1. We are near top of our range (if not the very top, depending on if we call TT or AA).

Reasons to not bet flop:
1. 2 SPR means we easily get stacks in without betting flop.
2. PFR 4 bet range is still ahead of our range on this flop.
3. Betting often stops V from bluffing or value betting worse.
4. No real draws given ranges, if we are in front we are way in front.
5. If we bet small and get called we get no real information on if we are in front or not.


...and, to be fair, I don't think betting small (at least sometimes) is bad. But if you think "lolz, I haz KK, I always bet here" that's bad.

In a void this is the worst advice in thread AINEC.

Maybe this is your way of strongly agreeing with CiE's "Not folding versus 30s Asian guy in Texas" ... but it'd help OP if you use words better.

Given SPR and V’s limp 4b pre, I think we can check back flop 100%. Haven’t run the sim, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the solver checked back 100 here.


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I don't get people wanting to check the flop back. It's very unlikely that villain tried some ambitious limp/4b bluff in his first hand than checks the flop when he misses. At least he would autocbet flop in that case, unless he is really just clicking button ofc. So inducing bluffs is not really a thing, you just give AK a chance to get there (ok he has one super dirty out), while he is in checkdown mode. Other than that there can't be a reason to check back, we are getting stacked by AA anyway. If hero is willing to fold on this flop honestly he should just fold pre (or straight go home that is).

Anyway AP I'm calling, not very thrilled about the spot, but AK could play this way, so could JJ-KK. Not to mention the read that villain just sat down. It's not too likely but he could be a complete maniac who just tries to gii, some wannabe GTO warrior lagtard holding A5s, or even a clueless junkie who barely remembers his hand having smoked some crack in the parking lot 5 minutes ago. Far from a dream spot but enough to make me call and not worry too much when shown AA.

I'd fold pre with no reads. It's a mix fold in GTO if we treat is as a 5bet after opening and in my experience the limp-4bet line if anything is stronger (not to mention live 4bet/5bet ranges), not sure what kinda games people replying play in but good luck finding "82o coz hes Asian" or "random spew coz its his first hand" in that line lmao.

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If we know V has AA isn't set mining quite profitable? It's $135 to call and the pot will be around $420, so we only need to win ~$350 more when we flop a K for calling pre to be profitable (which should be a near guarantee against aces)

OP what were the results of this hand? Guessing you ran into aces?