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12-23-2014 , 03:09 AM
Villain is definitely a bad player but he seems like a semi thinking player from what I've seen from him in the past. Doesn't get too out of line.

Hero just sat at the table, I've made a couple raises but folded to a 3 bet by total crazy lag. Raised UTG and check folded a 5 way pot. From previous times we've played he probably sees me as Tight and Aggressive and solid.

The game is 1/2/3 9 handed. We both have about 270.

V raises UTG to 15
CO calls 15
Hero 3 bets to $50 otb KhKd
V calls 35 more
CO folds.

Pot is 115 after rake

Flop is Qh83r
V checks
Hero bets 60
V calls

Turn is Jh
V bets 90 leaving 70ish behind.
Hero....?
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12-23-2014 , 03:31 AM
What is his UTG range?

We only beat AQ here if he even plays it like that. Can he have QJ?
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12-23-2014 , 03:49 AM
with villains stack less than PSB why would he lead here with a monster if he can jam and polarize his river bet if hero checks behind or x/shove if hero decides to bet turn.

ap, i jam here and expects to see a lot of AQs,KQs or combo draws.
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12-23-2014 , 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bombonanza
with villains stack less than PSB why would he lead here with a monster if he can jam and polarize his river bet if hero checks behind or x/shove if hero decides to bet turn.

ap, i jam here and expects to see a lot of AQs,KQs or combo draws.
I agree. But the turn card still sucks huge. One of the worst in the deck alongside an A.

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12-23-2014 , 04:26 AM
All the chips.
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12-23-2014 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bombonanza
with villains stack less than PSB why would he lead here with a monster if he can jam and polarize his river bet if hero checks behind or x/shove if hero decides to bet turn.

ap, i jam here and expects to see a lot of AQs,KQs or combo draws.
Well, villain's line doesn't make sense either way. But he might think we'd slow down on this card if he's semi thinking.

What combo draws can he see?

He probably has enough Qx to get it in but I'm not loving it after we've shown such strength against a semi thinking villain.
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12-23-2014 , 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Hendricks433
Villain is definitely a bad player but he seems like a semi thinking player from what I've seen from him in the past.
It would be helpful to know what mistakes V has made that makes him a bad player. Even one example can be very helpful.

I'd go a little bigger both pre and on the flop. Something like $60 pre, $90 on the flop, shove turn for $120.

Vs will definitely donk this turn with less than QJ. $90 into a $235 pot is a small bet. A lot times V thinks their hand is good with KQ or AQ and wants to slow hero down so that he doesn't have to risk all his chips. Or, V puts hero on AK and doesn't want the turn getting checked through and risk an ace coming off. c/c on flop and a turn donk is never comfortable playing for stacks though.

If he flopped a small set or has QJ, NH. I expect to see JJ, QQ, KQ, and AQ most of the time.

Last edited by jesse123; 12-23-2014 at 06:30 AM.
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12-23-2014 , 06:34 AM
Even if we give V a pretty strong range, we can't fold.

Board: Qh Jh 8d 3c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.791% 41.79% 00.00% 1941559 0.00 { KdKh }
Hand 1: 58.209% 58.22% 00.00% 2704529 0.00 { AA, QQ-JJ, 88, 33, AQs, KQs, QJs, AQo, KQo, QJo }
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12-23-2014 , 09:20 AM
How is this even a thread??? We have a semi-terrible player, board is Q high, we have KK, and SPR is less than one...

Villains like this will stack off with TPGK all day every day and twice on Sunday. If this happens to be the one time we run into JJ or QQ then meh...

Now, if the pot was $100 and we had $300 behind and V shoves, then that is a whole other story. But given the SPR here is less than 1 and the fact we have KK and V is semi-terrible...

I'm never folding KK here against described V, so when V bets $60 and he has $70-ish behind, we can just go ahead and jam, he is never folding AQ, KQ, QT type hands and if he has a set or turned two pair, then meh, nice hand...
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12-23-2014 , 10:41 AM
Grunch.

Eww. Pretty gross spot IMO. What is he betting that we can beat? AQ and KQ? Does this player raise/call with weaker Qx type hands? I really can't imagine him leading with like TT or something. I mean... If we look at the turn situation before he leads out it basically seems like a GII spot given the SPR and player read. But him leading out is pretty strong IMO. In the end, I guess I would just shove here... Too many combos of AQ for us to fold I think given the fact that we already have like half our stack In the middle.
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12-23-2014 , 11:09 AM
Never ever folding an overpair with an SPR less than 3. If he flopped a set or turned two pair, more power to him. Reload & move on.
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12-23-2014 , 12:14 PM
so he had 910 but you played it like you had to. next hand op.
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12-23-2014 , 12:15 PM
I'd raise a little more preflop, and bet more on the flop in order to stack off on the turn. I'd perhaps get FPSy only if Villain is super bluffy when shown weakness.

QJ boards are admittedly pretty gross in spots like these, but I don't think there's anything else we can do but stack off here with these stacks.

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12-23-2014 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
so he had 910 but you played it like you had to. next hand op.
Chances V has 9T are probably slim to none
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12-23-2014 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Chances V has 9T are probably slim to none

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