The game is £1/£2 NL

I have just sat down with £300

The second hand that I am dealt is KK in the small blind

There is a live straddle in play (£5) and a raise from MP to £20
The button 3 bets to £50

I 4bet to £110 and it is folded to the button who instacalls

As I mentioned I have just sat down at the table and have no read on any player I thought that the button didn't have to be mega strong to 3 bet in position but when he calls £110 super quick I put him on a big pair a big Ace or maybe a medium suited Ace (obviously with no previous info he could have any 2 cards )

The flop comes A T 3 rainbow

I check
Button shoves for £225 which has me covered



My questions are

1)was my bet sizing ok pre flop?
2)was my check on the flop a terrible move?
3)call or fold ??

Good luck at the tables

At this point fold. Not sure about donking the flop with A on board. Tough spot

Flop is a definite check, betting is extremely pointless.

Readless sucks so much. I could go either way. If he seems competent, then he should know you can't call the shove as your check turns your hand face off. Good players will often bluff here with QQ or JJ.

Shove seems weird so I lean call.

I was confused by the shove but it was only a pot size bet

Surely he knows I could have checked with an Ace but he also knows I cant call without one

I suppose with the size of the pot and the effective stacks a decent bet is going to leave either of us pot committed which is why I thought maybe I should have donked the flop

An Ace is an obvious part of his range so by betting into him I would have shown strength and by checking I think I showed I was scared of the Ace and maybe that induced the shove

I will be back on later with a hand update if anybody is interested as
I would appreciate comments based on the actual outcome but for now I am still interested in my bet sizing pre and check on the flop and also how many of you call in this position

Thank you and good luck at the tables

Stack sizes are a little awkward given his 3 bet size....don't like the small 4 bet when OOP against 2 villains w/unknown tendencies. They have no reads on you yet...I'd say just shove preflop w/out reads on villains. Don't ever like putting nearly 1/2 stack in preflop w/out intention of getting it all in on flop....

I had thought about a 4bet shove pre
I decided against it as I thought I would only get called by AA or a premium suited Ace
My bet of 110 was slightly more than a 1/3 of my stack but left me room to fold if necessary (for example if he 5bet shoves or on an A high flop)

4bet PF could have been bigger but $110 is not bad.

Terrible flop. I think a 1/3 pot size lead looks like a value bet with a monster/set. Could get JJ through KK an AJ to AQ to fold. Having the disadvantage of only playing 2 hands hinders putting villain on a range.

On the other hand, turning KK into a bluff hand kind of sucks, checking flop is probably the best move.

Fold to the villains shove. Just a cooler.

I'm never worrying about AA when I'm sitting with KK against unknown villains. If he has Ax.....that's perfectly fine. You have a lot of FE and ur well ahead...of course, this is not being results oriented. Not always advocating to play ur hand this way but believe it's optimal to shove OOP without any reads whatsoever.

Had 2 donkeys call an allin for 150 BB with JJ and AQo (in seperate hands) when I had overpairs yesterday. It happens still.....

I decided that the villain shows up with an Ace often enough for it to be a fold

Villain showed JJ

I played about 4 hrs and finished about £400 up but the big winner at the table was the villain that I tangled with
He played good solid poker throughout and when I left he was sitting on a stack of over £2K

As somebody mentioned earlier in this post
By 4betting pre but checking the flop I was playing my hand face up and he was good enough to exploit this

Good luck at the tables

It's not a bad fold readless though. Another thing to consider is that the only aces villain should have in his 4bet calling range are AK and AA. We block AK and he might slowplay AA. Plenty more combos of JJ and QQ -if- he's capable of bluffing on this flop. Which we didn't know so a cautious fold isn't bad by any means.