I definitely don’t make decisions based on reads alone. I rely 10-20% on them. In this case it was just the way he looked…certainly not a strong read but good enough to add 10% to the 90% which is the LINE he took - very underbluffed for the stakes. Now is he value betting a worse hand that’s up for debate but seems also unlikely.

I have seen this overbet shove many times before from AA so that only reinforced the hand reading up to that point. I certainly am not one to overfold when looking at the pool but decided to lay it down…

Guy immediately flips over A4o

GG

LOL. Wow. Now you know. I'm sure an A was coming Keep an eye out for him in the future, too. You should be able to crush him.

Also, what "vibe" would he have gotten from you?

Lol, in spots like this I always semi-joke this is AA 90% of the time, KK 9.5% and a misread A4 0.5%.

Gdecentchancethiswasamisreadhand,nojoke,imoG

He did flip it face up. Seems like he was proud of his bluff. Maybe online players and GTO people can chime in, but isn't A4 a hand that people use for 4-bet bluffs because it contains a blocker to AA and AK? Everyone is saying the PioSolver stuff is starting to filter down to lower and lower stakes. Maybe conservative vibes masked Asian has been studying.

Lol I also thought there was a non zero % chance he fell for the fake aces

No vibes from me I just sat, but was wearing a hoodie got glasses and was otb so there!

Ofcourse I’m tilted like 4/10 but I’m also laughing cuz I got it coming for him now, session young…. Until….he gets up 4 hands later…

10/10

GG

Call pre call flop neither decision is close.

Lol @ trying to make reads with 'vibes' when you can't even make mind numbingly easy decisions. Worry about basic fundamentals before you start trying to be Hellmuth. Folding this flop is terrible.

care to elaborate?

whats the basic fundamental here? that a middle aged llnl unknown is cold 4betting QQ AND snap overbet jamming 2xpot a J high flop?

We can discuss and arrive at a conclusion that this is a call but no way this is ever an easy decision...Instead of using fancy adjectives try to use logical deduction so this can be a constructive experience.

I think the discussion can be helped by describing what in particular you meant by "vibes" - I took it more seriously than other people itt did, figured you observed some behaviors that led to this description.

Just a nerdy looking 50 year old wearing a mask sitting awkwardly in his chair looking uncomfortable and scared. Again all these signs I observed are interpreted objectively for the most part but I don't heavily rely on them. Not sure why the """"vibes""""" continues to be the center of discussion when his line screams strength and the light reads only support/reinforce the nuttedness of the line.

I think the only argument to be had here is that he has 8 combos of AK still available to him to go nuts with.

You have no reads on him though, just some arbitrary gut feeling. “Everyone with a mask is a tight ass” or whatever.

Okay, OTTH. YouÂ’re 3-betting BTN vs CO ISO raise. In these positions your range should have a decent number of 3-bets. LetÂ’s assume when SB 4-bets you call with something like AQs, AK, and TT+ (50 combos). IÂ’d probably add in KQs too.

Now he open rips on JXX board. If fold kings, youÂ’re folding all your AQ, AK, TT QQ KK. WeÂ’re just left with AA (6 combos) and JJ (3 combos). YouÂ’re basically folding your entire range here. ThatÂ’s not good. YouÂ’re hand is just too good to fold. You should just fold pre flop if youÂ’re going to fold this flop to this action.



If he goes small on flop and jams a blank turn, what do you do? I hope YouÂ’re calling down.

I mean obviously this is really bad in theory. This fold is max exploit based. I would ofcourse call down smaller bets as now I can feel ok with him having worse value.

The one thing that I didn’t put together in game is:

He uses a huge overbet jam size indicative of mostly AA scared of being outdrawn BUT his 4bet size is on the small size for the same profile of scared player. I think the scared To be outdrawn profile will also choose a bigger 4b size pre to at least 3x the 3b.
If I’m able to piece this in game I likely find the call.

The guys in my game play AA like this all the time, except half of them limp pre, then 3bet, or just call a raise pre trying to be sneaky, and then shove almost any flop. They are always amazed when two pair beats them. I did it to someone Friday night w/ 7h9h when he flatted my raise pre and couldn't let it go.

Of course, a while ago, I three-bet KK to a wide-open player, get called by the tightest player at the table in SB, WO calls. Flop comes AKX, SB shoves, WO folds, and I almost fold for ~$170 into a $135 pot. I 100% knew I should fold but couldn't make myself do it. A new player at the table said if I had folded he would have thought there was collusion. LOL. I just knew I was toast, and I was.

Love this

@OP
You say your fold is max exploit.. who exactly are you exploiting? The guy you have zero intel on? Or the pool tendencies? If it's the latter (which I am assuming) maybe your assumptions are wrong?
Maybe it was the "ok I have AK i have to raise".. "**** he called don't know how to continue, ok all in" or it's just random bluffs as he obviously showed you.. also could be QQ which is scared..
I myself folded Kings tree times and was right all three times.. but only because I was 100 per cent certain my opponent had Aces.. (one of those times my opponent, a friend, told me to muck and showed)