Reads and History

my image: LAGy. Have shown a ton of preflop and postflop aggression and shown down a wide range of hands.

villian: fit-or-fold player that would make small open pfrs w/ SCs, but very SF on the flop. Played with him for over two hours and he only had his stack AI once and he showed the nuts.


The Hand

Villian 1 (MP) $235
Hero (SB) $600

Preflop (Pot:3)
seat 3 CALL
seat 4 CALL
villian CALL
seat 6 FOLD
seat 7 FOLD
seat 8 FOLD
seat 9 FOLD
hero RAISE $31

seat 2 CALL
seat 3 CALL
seat 4 CALL
villian CALL

Flop(Pot: $155)


hero BET $75
seat 2 FOLD
seat 3 FOLD
seat 4 FOLD
villian ALL-IN
hero? A fit-or-fold villian in a 5way pot is never bluffing in this spot. Even given my image the table is playing so passive that I'm not getting punished by one of the passive players who has shown almost no aggression all session. So basically what hands in his value range do I beat? AJ or QQ? Do you think he pushes with those hands? Or are only sets in his range? Its about $125 more to call. What is the hero to do?

You are getting 3 to 1 on the call, and I don't think I am gonna fold this type of hand here given those odds if I were in the moment. Its a tough spot though because really the only hand you beat is a hand like AJ. I don't think he has JJ or QQ in this spot here almost ever because of the limps before him and then limping himself. This looks like 66 or 22 all day, but I think maybe he does this with Aj too, so I will call.

I'd call. Pot is huge, you already invested $105 + there is lot of dead money in there and you only need to call $130 more. If you've been running the table over, these passive guys will sometimes make a stand with only top pair. All in all you're probably beat but I think you have to call anyway.

I'd call. I think we can discount AA from his range since he had the chance to raise the field preflop and passed on it. I tend to think you should never narrow someone's range down to exactly a set, but this might be one of the few times you could, given your description of the player. Still, you're getting a great price here and I don't think AJ or QQ (both scared of overcards) is out of the question.

I don't see QQ in the range given the preflop action, but maybe i'm wrong

I don't think QQ is in his range either. He would raise preflop. I think its between AJ (with AJ being less likely) and sets. KJ is very unlikely given that I had two Ks. And these type of players dont go crazy with QJ or JT in this spot.

I tend to agree. From my online experience its almost impossible to narrow an opponent's range to sets only. But, live I really think you can in some spots.

I think this is one of them because this player is playing his cards and not punishing my aggressiveness. In fact, I'm not sure this villain would push on the flop with AJ or even QQ for that matter. I'd seen him call down huge bets with TP type hands and he never ever shoved with them.

I think I'm going to make a separate thread about facing aggression from passive players. I just think these passive fit-or-fold types ranges are so narrow in some spots that they are basically playing their hand face up.

Tough fold with those odds and this could easily be a AJ type hand. Looks more like a set though, given your description is correct (hopefully you have a lot more history with villain cause if not and you've only been playing for about 2 hours than you can't put him as fit or fold). I just don't see why a fit or fold player unless he's really loose pre would call so much with deuces or sixes (I guess he is getting decent odds and he's closing the action). But if he's willing to call that much pre with that hand it's unlikely he's a nit and this could just be a "I know you have nothing so I'm all-in with my pair of jacks".

Because of the odds and the fact that you can't really classify him as fit or fold (and even fit or fold people can overvalue TP) I think this is a call.

I've played with him for about 2-3 hours and he as played somewhat loose preflop but fit-or-fold on the flop. He was shown almost 0 aggression postflop and in the few big pots he has played he was calling down.

Obviously, I don't have 100 hours on this opponent, but he is not a thinking opponent from what little I have seen. He wasn't making a read. He quickly stuck his chips in the middle without hesitation. I think if he has he TP thinks for a second. Plus, I think the fact that it is 5-way as opposed to HU or 3-way makes it more likely to be a set.