1/2 game mostly loose passive stuff.
Stacks $200ish
-V1 in cutoff is reg, generally plays pretty face up. Relative to this hand I've seen this turn micro bet with tpnk before but that time it wasn't a 3-flush paired board
-V2 btn is "active"player, put $5 straddle. He shouldn't be shy about raising if he thinks he has the best of it.
-V3 hj moderate loose, medium aggression. Can tend to check behind river rather than go for thin value.

1 limper calls the $5, hero raises to $15 with KJ. HJ, CO and Btn call, as does the limper. I guess that was too small a raise

Flop (5 way, $71) J8 6
Hero bets $20, hj co and Btn call. EP folds.
Again...too small a bet.

Turn (4 way, $151) 6
Hero checks, hj checks, co bets $10, btn thinks and calls, hero calls

id make it $20 pre and check/jam the flop.

if i were to bet the flop, given the wet board and your spr id bet pot size or close to it and then shove any non spade turn.

as played, just call. i would not discount btn having the nuts here or a good flush.

Youre likely drawing to a 2 outer otr. It went 4 ways to the turn. Theres just no way someone doesnt have the 6 or flush. Im happy to call here, because you have odds to draw to your 2 outer, plus theres some small off chance it checks thru otr and you win.

These passive fish will think their 6 or small flush isnt good enough to do more than bet $10 or check/callz

Its crazy how in these live games because of the raise sizes and how often its multiway how shallow it gets, similar to a tournament. My initial reaction was check jam is an overplay, but if there are villains that will aggressively bet the multitude of draws on this board and stuff like weaker top pair I can definitely see how check jam could be the best play. Most of the time the 2/3 games i play in this would work.

yes the reason you do this in EP at this stack depth is because the most likely outcome when you check is someone will bet with a pair or draw, 1 or 2 people will call with draws or hands worse than yours, and you can then GII when you are almost certainly ahead with lots of dead money in the pot. you also avoid weird spots on bad turn cards.

occasionally you get stacked by sets or two pair, in that case w/e shrug and reload.

I like this idea. I had overlooked the low spr and the fact with all the garbage people call with, I can go with Tp2k on this flop

Pre has to be $20 or $25. Flop should be much bigger, too. You are just inviting them in with anything/everything. Turn is fin as played -- not much else you can do for that price, but I'm not putting in another dime on the river unless it's a J.

I might go even bigger pre, to $25. But I agree this is a good spot to check jam flop, or bet huge.

When we're dumping money into the pot, these hands pretty much play themselves.

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This one I'll do the reveal, since I think you all were spot on: flop is good for me but the turn is iffy. Hint: I was actually still way ahead on the turn.

ahhh ok - 5 see the flop 4 with limp calling 1/2 player ranges - i'm not in love with down betting the flop 2nd to act on a board this wet that smacks the limp/call ranges of opponents.

personally i'd see this is as a half decent ch/raise opportunity (bd flush draw with overcard to the board) with some frequency below 50%.

Im not in love with betting into 4 low stakes opponents whose rose colored glasses steer them to playing every hand like its a 7 card game but if I am betting, i'd size up even tho the pot is artificailly bloated due to the weak pf limp callers.

the issue is the board smacks the ranges of limp call pretty heavy and there's much better flops for the perceived range in their eyes of the pre flop raiser (lol, they put you on AK again!)

I think my reticence to betting is more the fact that a ton of turns are going to absolutely suck and i cant think of a ton of turns that an overly optimistic flush catcher or bottom pair + 2nd card waiting to pair will also then fold to on the turn - which means your turn play will have to be a LOT of checking.

i DO like delay c-betting when possible and using some non flush and the few absolute bricks as leverage to bet large say leaving only 1 street left for the fundamentalist crowd awaiting their river savior.

but as played
re: Turn

i usually treat micro bets like checks and not some sick gto play they picked up and implemented into the lowest $ spread game in the card room but because its still 4 way im not in love with it. but you get direct odds to flat and draw to a FH. I think you have to just ch/call from here given MW and the flush completing. I hate taking passive lines like this but i cant imagine raising/shoving as a sustainable strategy thats wins the money consistently in this spot.

i'll see what other folks say though as I just came and posted without reading other responses.

eh, i still hate the 10 dollar bet and want to raise here - if they are true 1/2 players who wouldnt even fold a naked gut shot here raising isnt awful but with 3 opponents it makes it difficult to really see how much value this achieves. or maybe im just clouded by too much run bad as KJ should be in a good spot some % of the time but unless im HU or maybe 3 way tops I hae slowed way the **** down with my aggression.

I mean low stakes fish spaz sometimes, the best you can do is account for 80-90% of their given range at any time, dont let this color your opinion to think you should be value raising in a spot like this. I assume you called and either the straight hit or it checked thru otr?

Seeing the hands made me question my turn play but it was good to get feedback on the flop, which is where I made the major mistake. Very few turn cards would have been easy to play

It's a good lesson that with the straddle and standard loose calling ranges, the game becomes more of a two street, top pair-oriented game.