As described other v can have almost any 2 cards.

If you hit the k or j you can call flop/fold turn depending on runout. Often you'll hit a pair, call the cbet, and turn goes c/c. You can fold sometimes with top pair ya know...

Kj isn't a hand I'm a big fan of but yeah, in mp it's an open. I'm going bigger than $7 though and always 100 bb deep at a minimum.

Yeah if you fold and any good player sees it you should get up and move to another table. Whoever is saying fold is terrible. Everyone in here folding is a losing player.


When we raise to 7 its fine as long as we 4bet it for value sometimes esp IP. 60 pre sets up a flop shove for max value. There are multiple inflection points. We can vary our sizing but we have to alter our frequencies and 4b more here

Call flop/fold turn with a pair when we're 80 BBs deep is a mistake. We'll have put at least 1/3 of our stack in the middle just to fold a made hand. When you do that you've almost always made a mistake somewhere along the line, and here that mistake will have been calling the 3-bet.

The fact that you have yet to be banned just shows how terribly moderated this forum is. Whether genuinely awful advice or pathetic trolling, I don't know, but you need to stop wasting everyone's time.

waaaaait...we're 4 betting KJ suited sometimes FOR VALUE?! i wanna play in whatever $1/2 game you're playing in...

I"ve seen plenty of people banned for pointing out losing advice. Most of the people left in here are the total *******s who take the gane too seriously and want OP to fold so they can play a completely different strategy when they get to the table

So if you advocate fold you either suck or a troll

op, get yourself a good poker coach. He/she can go thru a lot of the math of this spot and you will crush 1/2. Its actually not that hard

Yeah man but that 1/2 GTO strat is a home run.


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Good, your days are surely numbered then.

Do go on.

what calling pre does is puts us in a low SPR situation where we're gonna be hemmoraging money versus a typical $1/2 3-betting range. we shouldn't be folding on K-high or J-high flops because we're so shallow, and we are typically SMOKED when the cards are flipped over. folding is the right play AINEC.

if you're gonna continue here, i'd rather 4-bet KJ than call here.

Lol @ calling this 3bet pre. So bad. FOLD. I am a winning player.

You're going to whiff most flops and have to give up and when you do flop a pair or better you're whole stack is going to be at risk and when you do get it in you are likely behind. Calling is so dumb I can't actually believe anyone thinks this is profitable. Seriously LOL.

So this was probably too extreme. (but to be fair, if we did open fold this every time, I really don't think it would hurt our win rate in any noticeable way) So I guess KJs is playable here but it's at or near the bottom of our range, no?

Doesn't open limping/calling (and essentially nut mining) mitigate all of our pf problems? Considering stack depth it seems raising puts us in a dicey spot ie: we aren't doing well vs calling ranges, we will likely be mw oop, we are starting to build a big pot with a hand that is easily dominated, getting 3! is NOT GOOD and will (or should) force us to fold.......

I mean, I really don't think letting this go 5-6 ways to the flop is all that bad with this hand. It also makes it easier to just fold our one pair hands otf or ott to serious action.

Just a thought. I'm sure I'm wrong cuz, after all, I'm one of the losers folding this hand pre. Thanks for all the wisdom JB! what a joke.

Not in this forum. If you have names of people who were banned for pointing out losing advice (rather being obnoxious and trolling), please PM their names to me.

I'm locking this. If someone wants to discuss GTO, the stickied thread at the top of the forum page is the place to do it.