1/2 at mohegan

Couple of limpers and villian limps his Btn. eff stacks ~175, he covers me

I check KJo in BB.

Flop K55r
Hero bets 10, Villian calls

Turn 3

hero Bets 20, Villian calls

River 9

Hero bets 25, Villian raises to 55. Hero Calls

Thoughts? After flop and turn call, should i c/c, c/f river? anyone check turn?? River was a thin value bet


History: I was new to table and third hand in i was in UTG with Jd9d and limped and was 5-way to flop. and villian donked a JT3 board for 10 dollars, and we were 3-way to the turn. turn 7 and he lead for 25, and he was a younger kid so i felt he lead with his strong hands here and had 2pairs and good jacks in his range and i folded and other guy folded and i asked him what he had and he showed J8.

C/c a reasonable river bet. As played call the river due to the price, and be prepared to throw your losing hand in the muck several seconds later because you're basically never winning.

Haha i know i should have took out a lighter and burned 30 dollars on the spot

What bluffs are you picking off? What worst hands is he valuebetting? River is bet or c/f. I'd bet a big bigger, like $45 to rep a bluff. I'd fold to the raise without some physical tell or better read on his play.

I don't understand, you'd rather bet $45 and fold to a raise than bet $25 and call a total of $55?

When your beat your beat, theres really nothing at all he raises here that i beat, he calls down almost all Kx's, hes basically only raise his 5x hands that he limped button which include 54,56,A5 imo and maybe suited 5xgappers

I called due to price, but knowing i was basically ever good, is anyone c/f turn/river or is that too weak

Unraised hand, button could have anything.
A good rule for me , if the board pairs and you don't have trips (or have flopped a full house), don't put any money into that pot.
One your $10 flop bet is called especially, you should be done. There are no draws on that board, k55 rainbow, so what is he calling with besides position.

Of course. When $45 goes in we are ahead a decent % of the time. Raising changes his hand range.

I hate being raised here too but we can't fold for another $30 on the river given the pot odds and out investment thusfar in the hand. Call, use the info later.

Nah, the river is a bet/fold, even with this sizing. Saying "the odds are too good" really isn't sufficient imo. Yes, it's a small bet, but the reality is that we still need to be good > 16% of the time.

I'd guess we're good 10% of the time or less. So if the final pot would be $180, and we put in a bet of $30 knowing we're good just 10% of the time, well that means we only have $18 of equity in the final pot, so we're basically burning $30 - $18 = $12. That's 6BB down the drain. That mistake is going to add up.

I probably check/fold turn. There are no draws on the flop.

He's not calling with KT or any weaker king, then leading out on turn. He has a bare 5 here 75% of the time and a full house like 20% of the time with this line flop/turn.

You're probably winning the remaining 5%, if that, on the river.

This is a very good point. The price of a call must correspond to some form of sensible math.

With regards to OP's hand, I'm probably never going for 3 streets of value here in a multiway limped pot, so I'm checking at least one street. Probably the flop, actually.

(But lol @ Cbarton's "only put money in if you have trips or better". Just pot control it with a med/weak strength hand like this).

Anyone else like raising it up from the bb up to 18 or so? You're rarely running into KQ/AK/AJ so when you do hit a decent flop you can valuetown fairly confidently, plus it helps define the other player's ranges way more (unless they ALL call, but if you have an inkling that they might all limp-call then just raise more to like 22-25).

I don't want to divulge into this but nope sorry

Must call the small river raise given the odds.

When we bet only $25 into $70 on the river, there is a certain type of young player who is making it $65 more with almost the entirety of their range. Hero's hand looks pretty face up at this point.

I probably check/call a small bet on the river or check/fold to a large bet. Sometimes I will take hero's flop and turn line but I'm also often check/calling the flop because there is significant potential to win a small pot when we're ahead and lose a big pot when we're behind.

that would really depend on the table, I really would like to thin the table out plus if they fold to BB raises I would toss in 4 reds

A bad excuse for making a bad call. Villain never has K10 or 88 here, its near impossible for us to be winning without a very specific read