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07-07-2019 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
Could you elaborate on this? It could be argued that 3b here on BTN keeps H uncapped and makes later steals easier.


Being capped pre doesn’t matter post on a lot of boards. Granted if it comes AAK then being capped pre is gonna limit your ability to rep the nuts, but if the board comes low: 874, 993, 348, etc then having the capped pre range doesn’t really matter u see?
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07-07-2019 , 06:23 PM
I would flat pre this deep and check back the flop. The lead ott really sucks bc he's the pf raiser from UTG+2 so we might be drawing dead.

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Originally Posted by MrFabulous
as played your outs should be clean, Adxd is getting it in on the flop
I wouldn't give him that much credit and assume he's jamming with the ace high NFD vs 3 other players for 4K (even though the largest eff stack is 2K). There weren't any reads on him besides being on a heater. He could have opened pre with AKd, AQd or AJd.
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07-07-2019 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
Being capped pre doesn’t matter post on a lot of boards. Granted if it comes AAK then being capped pre is gonna limit your ability to rep the nuts, but if the board comes low: 874, 993, 348, etc then having the capped pre range doesn’t really matter u see?
Well it sure as hell didn’t help Hero on this board! Thanks for your help as always.

Are you folding this turn?
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07-08-2019 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
Being capped pre doesn’t matter post on a lot of boards. Granted if it comes AAK then being capped pre is gonna limit your ability to rep the nuts, but if the board comes low: 874, 993, 348, etc then having the capped pre range doesn’t really matter u see?
I don't understand this. If you are capped pre, then a board of AAK will not limit your ability to rep the nuts; it will limit your ability to get paid, because people know that board hit your range.

If the board comes low and your range is capped, but you hit big, you are going to get paid when you hit, but have trouble bluffing. Conversely, if your range is uncapped, you might get folds when you bluff.
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07-08-2019 , 08:08 AM
I think pre is fine. Its just the sizing which is the problem.
Hero goes $75 on BTN. - They have to call $60 to play a $300 pot.
What if we make it 105-110?
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07-09-2019 , 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by OvertlySexual
I don't understand this. If you are capped pre, then a board of AAK will not limit your ability to rep the nuts; it will limit your ability to get paid, because people know that board hit your range.

If the board comes low and your range is capped, but you hit big, you are going to get paid when you hit, but have trouble bluffing. Conversely, if your range is uncapped, you might get folds when you bluff.
i think your misunderstanding stems from you not knowing what "capped" means.

"capped" means that u would have taken a different line with a nuttish hand, so given that u took the line that u did, u can no longer have those extremely strong holdings.

The example i gave on AAK is textbook, because if u are capped pre, it means u would have taken a different line with AA, KK, and AK. So on the board of AAK u cannot have those nuttish hands. This is a board that classically favors the preflop aggressor, and disfavors the preflop caller.

Thats why i say being capped pre limits you ability to rep the nuts on AAK.

u say that "if youre capped pre, people will know u hit the AAK board"... this is just nonsense i hope u understand now.

in fact, almost everything u said in your post is the opposite of true. I hope this helps clear it up
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07-09-2019 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
Being capped pre doesn’t matter post on a lot of boards. Granted if it comes AAK then being capped pre is gonna limit your ability to rep the nuts, but if the board comes low: 874, 993, 348, etc then having the capped pre range doesn’t really matter u see?
Late in responding, but this is more or less exactly what I would have said anyway.

When we 3bet preflop, we are uncapped preflop, but then we often end up in a situation where our perceived postflop range is capped to overpairs. Whereas if we just call $15 on the button, then we can be perceived as having anything when we finally take an aggressive action.

So there are 2 possibilities here, and I don't like 3betting in either case. The first case is that we're up against opponents who aren't trying to put us on a range. In that case, we shouldn't be "repping" anything, we should just be worried about not bloating the pot with six high. If our opponents do care about our range, then we can still just call $15 preflop and be uncapped on the flop or turn on a lot of boards.
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07-09-2019 , 01:49 PM
Ya, I just echo the opinion that this is almost an ideal hand/position to flat.
There’s only a handful of hands that I can think of that would be more ideal for flatting in this spot. A dream flatting spot pre basically.
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