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03-31-2015 , 03:57 PM

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ITT, mass overvaluing of TP

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03-31-2015 , 04:06 PM

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DeathCabForTootie

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Grunch:

Snap calls versus tilting reg. SPR is less than 3. We're getting almost 3-1 on a call. Folding should never enter into our thinking.

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03-31-2015 , 04:08 PM

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ITT, mass undervaluing of TP versus TILTING reg

FYP

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03-31-2015 , 04:11 PM

#29

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v has got you right where he wants you: calling lite bc he's "tilting." I've seen it so many times before

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03-31-2015 , 04:16 PM

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v has got you right where he wants you: calling lite bc he's "tilting." I've seen it so many times before

LOL wut

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03-31-2015 , 04:18 PM

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what don't you understand? v has straight or two pair and shoves hoping to get a call from AK because AK thinks v is tilting

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03-31-2015 , 04:20 PM

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what don't you understand? v has straight or two pair and shoves hoping to get a call from AK because AK thinks v is tilting

LOLOLOLOL wut

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03-31-2015 , 04:21 PM

#33

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oh woops not straight that was a different thread lololololol

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03-31-2015 , 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Doomed

For those who are saying fold.... But with no follow up reason please take a second look at the OP.

Villan is described as tilting donk REG. We need to figure out what a tilting donk regs shoving range is in this spot. We can't go soul reading him for KQ because we "have a bad feeling". This same villan just went broke win A5 after the flop with no pair and no draw. Just by adding in some spass factor into his range this is an absolute snap call. Vs a realistic shoving range of TPWK J10 and all random ass two pair combos this is even more of a snap call.

Let's try looking at the whole picture, and avoid comments like fold or let it go OP. That doesn't help anyone.

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I'd let this one go, OP

Still waiting on the 'why'.

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03-31-2015 , 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by however

what don't you understand? v has straight or two pair and shoves hoping to get a call from AK because AK thinks v is tilting

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Still waiting on the 'why'.

Peep the rationale.

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03-31-2015 , 04:28 PM

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it says v thinks h is super tight. v clearly going to put h in aa or ak. if he's raise shoving op on flop then he prob has h beat. v is also prob aware of his tilting image so it makes the play even more effective

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03-31-2015 , 04:29 PM

#37

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also it's possible v could already have a straight lololol

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03-31-2015 , 04:38 PM

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amh1121

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villain is either:

1) not that tilted, and thinking logically, in which case a crai makes no sense with KQ because it gives Hero a chance to fold here. V would clearly be better flatting with KQ in this spot. would tilt V's range towards dominated hands and some draws like JT, AJ

2) truly tilted, in which case he can have any two cards here.

Occam's razor makes me lean towards #2, but its a call either way. People saying fold here are MUBsy imho, with his observed behavior, our hand, and this SPR

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03-31-2015 , 04:38 PM

#39

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tbf, I would prob call and hope to see jt, but it's not q fist pump call

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03-31-2015 , 04:43 PM

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However,

Your giving terrible advice. There are 4x as many hands we beat. Than hands we lose to. Do some hand combonatrics. Getting 2:1.

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03-31-2015 , 04:45 PM

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fair enough. I do see what you guys are saying. I admit I'm wrong here

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03-31-2015 , 04:46 PM

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Willyoman

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Pre, probably 16-18, but 15 isn't bad.

Call. You already put in 1/3 of stacks, SPR is ~2, you're getting > 2:1.

And you have the best kickers of all top pairs.

Oh yeah, and V seems terrible.

Just a slam dunk instant call.

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03-31-2015 , 04:46 PM

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ShermanTank

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'prob has h beat'. I agree it could be > 50% of the time, but H doesn't need to be good half the time. Hero needs to be good 32% of the time, as we saw above. You don't think a tilted player has JT or KJ/KT here 1/3 times or more?

I know what you're saying, sometimes a player gets AA cracked for their stack, reloads and then picks up a set next hand and plays it super-fast. The takehome point is these players usually are NOT ON TILT, they are faking it. They didn't play A5 last hand for 40$ pre, and then call a flop 80$ shove with no pair, no draw. These players ARE ON TILT.

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03-31-2015 , 04:51 PM

#44

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Sherman yes that all makes sense. and yes I do think you're right v prob does have aj kj etc 1/3 of time.

let me ask the group this though.. if h just sat down without any reads.. is it still a call?

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03-31-2015 , 04:54 PM

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Yes, puke call though

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03-31-2015 , 04:56 PM

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DeathCabForTootie

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Originally Posted by however

let me ask the group this though.. if h just sat down without any reads.. is it still a call?

Depends. SPR of less than 3 heads up and getting better than 2-1 on a call...I call it off against a typical 1-2 player.

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03-31-2015 , 05:10 PM

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ShermanTank

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I try to have some kind of read all the time. For instance, against the old men OMC types in my room, this is an INSTANT FOLD. The thing is, unknown average players in my room don't usually shove for so much, they would probably just call with a strong hand.

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03-31-2015 , 05:51 PM

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Mr_Doomed

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I'd let this one go, OP

Are you trolling ?

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03-31-2015 , 06:08 PM

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Donkahue

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Originally Posted by however

what don't you understand? v has straight or two pair and shoves hoping to get a call from AK because AK thinks v is tilting

Actually now that I think about it, we probably do need to add AJT to villain's range.

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03-31-2015 , 06:10 PM

#50

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half troll / half fish here

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