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V is young kid playing TAG as far as I can tell raises to 15$ UTG around 200$ effective

H has AKdd UTG+1 with 800$ and some players as deep behind me. makes it 50 planning to call it off vs. 4!

Rest fold V calls

Flop JT6r no diamond
V bets 25$

H calls,

Turn brick
V bets 50$

And I fold pretty quick

Feels pretty standard to me,
But I was pretty unhappy facing donk bets and just giving up when my 3! Range vs. this player is pretty loaded.
I felt like he was just putting me on AK and betting 88-QQ.

Didn’t feel like taking a stand or bluffing when he has enough TT-QQ to call it off with.
Should I consider raising at any point or consider floating turn?

Thanks.

I usually would of raised his little donk bet but we have a gutter, I would hate to have to fold it if he re-raises and lose the equity but it was played fine.

Donk bets of that size in a 3bet pot are usually weak hands. Stronger hands usually wait to c/r the cbet

Your place to take a stand would have been to jam flop.

I don’t think he’s betting 88 or 99, and a flopped set should just look to check raise flop.


If you think this player can have AQ/KQ with this line you can call again and see what he does on the river.

Otherwise if you think this is always value, I think you have to give up on turn because your A is not necessarily a live out if he has AJ, and if he has QQ you lose 2 of your straight outs. If he bet a bit smaller you might continue.

Take note that this guy is a weak player based on this line and look to exploit him in the future.

He bet 25% of pot on flop 33% of pot on turn and successfully convinced H to give up all his equity. He also successfully took control of the hand on the flop so it became H that felt he needed to fit or fold rather than V. If you think that is a sign of weakness we disagree.

Hero gave up 20% equity on turn and that’s a massive laudable success?

If he’s only betting a range of weak made hands like AJ/QQ, then he just got Hero to fold the only hand on turn that he’s ahead ahead of. Meanwhile Hero always continues with hands that beat Villain. I don’t see how that’s a good play. It’s a WA/WB spot for V with AJ/QQ. He should check flop for sure with those hands.

If Vilain has AQ/KQ with this line, it’s a different discussion. But IMO this small donk bet line on a draw heavy board is usually just a weak made hand.

Usually and always don't mean the same thing. As I understand you and please correct me if I am wrong your judgement of weak is predicated on V always having a weak made hand? I think you are over generalizing to decide that is what he has here given no other information about V and a read to exploit his weakness is horrible if he doesn't have the hands you are assuming he has. I also think you significantly undervalue the fact that by taking over control of the action V has avoided having H take a betting line into him that he might find hard to call with his actual hand. YMMV

I think Chaos has nailed perfectly the large majority of the time. Yes, the villain could be spewing, but on balance, most of the time, he has a made weak hand.

Grunch. Nice hand.

I like pre.

Also like flop, it's a 1/4 flop bet so you need to call a lot and you have overs plus gutshot to the nuts. You can dump some of AQ but probably not many, keep the ones with back door flush draws. I can't think of worse hands you have other than AQ. Also, maybe even have no raise range here. He can have just as many sets as you and if you get raise happy on this flop you can leave yourself with a pretty weak call down range.

I like turn. It's a 1/3 turn you have 18 combos of QQ-AA plus maybe 6 combos of sets if you didn't raise, you can give up some AK now.

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After reading discussion. If you have a very strong read that it's a weak made hand trying to "see where I'm at" you can try the hard exploit shove line.

Until I have a solid read I'm happy letting this go when I my range is mostly much better stuff.

Don't forget that V's SPR is tiny here so if you get aggro he's probably calling off moderate showdown value.