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11-01-2011 , 09:53 PM
History.

Hero bought into table for $200 has been at the table 4 hours and has been up as much as $400 ($600 stack) but recently took a $100+ hit on a hand (we both hit 3 of a kind (Q's) on the flop and called down - I had QT he had QJ and the kicker played) also bled some chips entering pots and on a river bluff. So now only up a little less than $200 so my stack is just under $400. Hero has pretty much shown down solid holdings - probably perceived as tight - most of my profits have come from sets that went to showdown and villains (not villain in this hand) paid me off with TPTK type hands.

Villain has been at the table about 2 hours. Tight, not make any stupid moves. Playing snug solid game. Bought in for $200 and was down to a little over $100 at on point but no is back to about $170.

The Hand.

Hero is in the BB with JcTc with approx $400 behind.
Villain is in the HJ with approx $170 behind.

Pre-flop.
4 limpers, SB completes, and I check. (Pot $11 adjusted for rake)

Flop is Jh8c3c.
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, Villain checks, CO checks, BTN bets $10. SB folds, I call, MP calls, Villain calls. (Pot $47 - adjusted for rake)

Turn is Td.
Hero leads $30, MP folds, Villain raises to $75, BTN folds. Pot is $152 and villain has around $75 behind. Hero raises villain all-in, villain calls.
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11-01-2011 , 09:58 PM
Bottom set? Hit his gutshot? If he's that tight, it's hard to see him calling with anything else...
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11-01-2011 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by hanning
History.

Hero bought into table for $200 has been at the table 4 hours and has been up as much as $400 ($600 stack) but recently took a $100+ hit on a hand (we both hit 3 of a kind (Q's) on the flop and called down - I had QT he had QJ and the kicker played) also bled some chips entering pots and on a river bluff. So now only up a little less than $200 so my stack is just under $400. Hero has pretty much shown down solid holdings - probably perceived as tight - most of my profits have come from sets that went to showdown and villains (not villain in this hand) paid me off with TPTK type hands.

Villain has been at the table about 2 hours. Tight, not make any stupid moves. Playing snug solid game. Bought in for $200 and was down to a little over $100 at on point but no is back to about $170.

The Hand.

Hero is in the BB with JcTc with approx $400 behind.
Villain is in the HJ with approx $170 behind.

Pre-flop.
4 limpers, SB completes, and I check. (Pot $11 adjusted for rake)

Flop is Jh8c3c.
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, Villain checks, CO checks, BTN bets $10. SB folds, I call, MP calls, Villain calls. (Pot $47 - adjusted for rake)

Turn is Td.
Hero leads $30, MP folds, Villain raises to $75, BTN folds. Pot is $152 and villain has around $75 behind. Hero raises villain all-in, villain calls.
I think flop is a lead. After a snug player raises my turn bet I'm not shoving, as I think I'm behind pretty often. I have a ton of equity of course, so call and see riv.
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11-01-2011 , 10:39 PM
get it in
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11-01-2011 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
I think flop is a lead. After a snug player raises my turn bet I'm not shoving, as I think I'm behind pretty often. I have a ton of equity of course, so call and see riv.
I agree with your flop lead, but am puzzled by your suggestion to flat turn and reeval. river.

What is the plan on the river unimproved when we face a shove? Pot will be 272, and it is 75 to hero (3.6:1) Are you c/f or c/c, or just shoving?

And what do we do when club hits?

And if you are against a set or turned straight, where are these tons of equity you are talking about coming from? our 4 outer? 2 outer if we are against a set of 1010?

OP,

There is not much you can do here but to fold to snug raise or shove. Either is OK. AP, you ran into top of his range.
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11-01-2011 , 11:45 PM
Flop was misplayed. Fail to see how bottom set is "the top of his range"...

Q9 97 33 88, hell maybe even JJ.

if you lead the flop or c/r your still going to get it in behind in this instance(maybe not cause he'll fold 97 q9 sometimes), but you also allow worse to call...
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11-02-2011 , 02:51 AM
6 way to the flop, 4 way to the turn, bloated pot raised by a snug player, I think this is a completed gutshot much of the time.

Tough spot. Most 1/2 players aren't going to fold JT here, either.
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11-02-2011 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by CyrusJavid
I agree with your flop lead, but am puzzled by your suggestion to flat turn and reeval. river.

What is the plan on the river unimproved when we face a shove? Pot will be 272, and it is 75 to hero (3.6:1) Are you c/f or c/c, or just shoving?

And what do we do when club hits?

And if you are against a set or turned straight, where are these tons of equity you are talking about coming from? our 4 outer? 2 outer if we are against a set of 1010?

OP,

There is not much you can do here but to fold to snug raise or shove. Either is OK. AP, you ran into top of his range.
If we're against a straight, we have 13 outs: 9 clubs & 4 J's/T's.
If we're against a set, we have the same outs (provided he doesn't have a set of Jacks [9 outs] or Tens [11 outs]).

Given the action, I think a gutterball got home and if you were solid on your read you'd call turn and c/f river. If you're even a little unsure, though, 3betting turn is fine. You've got a lot of outs to the perceived nuts if you are behind. Only tragic hand here is if he held Qc9c.
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11-02-2011 , 11:10 AM
I would prob c/r the flop here to 35-40 then bet the turn. As played it is pretty hard to pass considering the awesome odds we are gettign even if top 2 is not good! Just write it off as a bit unlucky and maybe next time c/r flop.
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11-02-2011 , 11:11 PM
I don't see a fold here
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11-02-2011 , 11:27 PM
Fist pump shove? We have top two pair with a re-draw.
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11-02-2011 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullwinkle
If we're against a straight, we have 13 outs: 9 clubs & 4 J's/T's.
If we're against a set, we have the same outs (provided he doesn't have a set of Jacks [9 outs] or Tens [11 outs]).
OOPS, we have a fd, too ....thanks for catching that.
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