Hi all,

2/5 MD Live. Hero raised KK earlier and went to showdown and won. Hero checked river behind with about 1/2 pot behind on 95356. V is older white dude and saw this. V has bluffed his missed fd IP once and was called by top pair by a deeper stack.

Hero raises JJ $50 in straddled pot with V limping. V calls. $300 eff.

Flop ($110): 987r. X, hero $30, call.

Turn ($170): 8. X, hero $60, V asks how much I have left and jams for $225 eff.

Thanks,
DT

Downbet OTF is grossgusting.

Turn bet might as well be a check, imo.

AP, fold.

I'm pretty indifferent to what you do on the turn. At that point your probably beat more then winning but your getting great odds. Make a read and go with it.

With SPR that low either you are committed or you are not. If you feel committed then $75 on the flop and shove turn. If you don't then check flop/evaluate turn. On a slightly better board I would say you are entirely committed but this one is very ugly.

On 9-8-7 I think it’s fine to split ranges. i.e.bet large with value and check with overs.

x turn imo. Three streets seems ambitious on this texture.

AP sigh call. Having two jacks in our hand is good, and the eight cuts down on their value combos heavily. Some people play 10s passively pre and that’s likely jamming turn. 910s, 76s, reasonably play this way. Plus pot odds.

I don't like downbet either. Stacks and texture don't really support it imo.

I think you are stuck calling it off here, this line might induce some bluffs.

With 50 bbs left heading to the flop, I'd plan on GII by the turn on favorable textures.

This texture isn't imo. He has all of the sets, connected 2-pr, along with pr/SD combos, sm pps and random over cards.

I'd lean toward a check most of the time, but if betting, $85ish. The small sizing allows him to call profitably.

AP, getting ~3-1 with 2-pr, I'd probably make a reluctant call given the V descript. If our sizing was to induce, there we go, snap.

I also saw this flop for what it was range v. range but isn't that a reason to downbet, so we are called by worse? For those who advocated a larger sizing here, why?

I have no idea why you'd ever check the river in the history hand... That's MUBS.

Flop is one of the worst possible flops we can get. I'm c betting here at 0% frequency. Once called otf, I check turn. AP, it's a weird spot. Do you think he would ever turn T9 or TT into a bluff here? I would personally fold, because the answer to that question for the population is no. I don't think calling off is the worst thing in the world for that price though.

You should give your position and villain's position.

The flop is a bet since JJ needs protection and is part of your value range that includes sets and straights and since this is a wet flop that also hits villain's range while giving him a lot of draws and since there are many bad turns for your range, you should be betting bigger, at least half pot.

Turn is a check, because it improves villain's range more (you aren't betting flop with A8 are you? ) and JJ becomes more of a showdown hand. Whether you bet and how much is a question. You would still have some full houses and quads, but I am not sure whether draws and straights want to keep betting. If not, then turn is a very small bet with your value because you don't have many bluffs.

As played, I fold. I don't think villains bluff enough at this level.

I agree there's a missed bet on the river of the first hand.

Two problems with down betting this flop. First, it's sucking both of you into the hand. With SPR that low every dollar either of you put in commits both of you to the pot. Second, by keeping weaker hands in it makes it harder to evaluate the situation. Is villain making a move, does he think his worse hand is better or did he just stick around with a weak hand and hit?

This just seems like such an easy $50 flop bet and jam turn. A 30 bb stack limp/called a 5x and we flop a somewhat vulnerable overpair+gutter. Just put money in the pot?

Usually, yeah, but not on this board texture