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JJ on T92dd board 200BB deep JJ on T92dd board 200BB deep

03-22-2013 , 03:50 PM
been playing late night for about two hours at 2/5, table is playing extremely loose, bought in for 500 and im up to 1050 right now

V1($1020): very wreckless players. one of those "my style gets my paid off" but obviously loses tons. doesnt care about the money. pushed 600 into 100 with kq on k89 board, got called and was good

V2($240): insanely bad player. never folds, stacks off with any piece of the board. stacked off with q8 on 89T board for 400 earlier. easy money, i make thousands off of this guy regularly

i raise in lp with JsJc to 30, V2 calls on the button, V1 calls in BB. we are six handed at this point. flop is T92dd, V1 leads out 95 and in a strong way. i put him on top pair or a flush draw. i opt to just call and reevaluate turn. V2 pushes all in for 240, then V1 pushes. V1 could still have a flush draw, but at this point im putting him more on TPGK or maybe T9.

my question is, if i do put him on a hand like K10, is this one of those i need to pick a better spot moments, or do i just go with my read even if it means risking 182BBs?
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03-22-2013 , 03:57 PM
really, from an EV perspective, it's a pot odds/pokerstove question. If you have equity vs. their range, you should get it in. If you don't, you should fold.

If you have bankroll issues I can understand trying to find a better spot, especially if you think it is close.

I would pokerstove the hand range you put him on and see what your equity is. If it's really T9 and TPGK I think this is basically never a fold.
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03-22-2013 , 04:03 PM
im up 14k for the month, first month at 2/5. this is the softest room ever, so treat it as br has no effect on this particular hand. if you add in flush draw hands im guessing im still ahead of his range and its a call so that changes nothing
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03-22-2013 , 04:30 PM
grunch: fold

this is of course villain dependent and the villains described are the only types i would even consider putting on such a wide range that they BOTH might be behind me... this action could very well be a set or 2 pair in addition to the straight and flush draws. of course, you have invested a good chunk of change here and there is a good chunk of dead money in the pot... this is going to come down to how confident you are in your range on these guys. against even very aggressive and spewy players i'm usually folding to a big shove here and waiting for a better spot. if they're willing to do this with weak holding now, they'll be willing to do it later when we have more than a pair.
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03-22-2013 , 04:33 PM
Was the T a diamond?
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03-22-2013 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Grigory
Was the T a diamond?
Were the ten and the nine both diamonds?
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03-22-2013 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Grima21
Were the ten and the nine both diamonds?
i think it was T and 2 of diamonds. at the time i wasnt considering pair and a flush draw, but that would make a lot of sense too
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03-22-2013 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 85chickasaw
grunch: fold

this is of course villain dependent and the villains described are the only types i would even consider putting on such a wide range that they BOTH might be behind me... this action could very well be a set or 2 pair in addition to the straight and flush draws. of course, you have invested a good chunk of change here and there is a good chunk of dead money in the pot... this is going to come down to how confident you are in your range on these guys. against even very aggressive and spewy players i'm usually folding to a big shove here and waiting for a better spot. if they're willing to do this with weak holding now, they'll be willing to do it later when we have more than a pair.
you have to be very spewy for me to stack off here with jj. my thinking was even if V2 has a monster i win money if im ahead of V1, so that was my focus. V2 is a complete idiot though who will stack off with 3rd pair, i wasnt worried about him
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03-22-2013 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by wheeldog00
you have to be very spewy for me to stack off here with jj. my thinking was even if V2 has a monster i win money if im ahead of V1, so that was my focus. V2 is a complete idiot though who will stack off with 3rd pair, i wasnt worried about him
I think i need to come and play with you
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03-22-2013 , 09:43 PM
More info on previous jams of V1, assuming you know his game fairly well as you said you make a bunch off of him (I think he is the one you focus on, as you still win a nice pot by just winning the side). Has he jammed sd or fd on similar boards, etc?
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03-23-2013 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Weeks
More info on previous jams of V1, assuming you know his game fairly well as you said you make a bunch off of him (I think he is the one you focus on, as you still win a nice pot by just winning the side). Has he jammed sd or fd on similar boards, etc?
i havent made a bunch off of V1, ive made a bunch off of V2. I have about 30 hours with V2, V1 only about the last 2 hours. i obviously am only focused on him and i said that. he shoved on a k89 board with kq, 600 into 150, was called by V2 who had jt. he 3 bet river for 500 with jack high when he missed a flush. he has had a lot of bluffs and overvalued top pairs in his shoving range. fairly wreckless player
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03-23-2013 , 08:39 PM
How many flush draws can BB call pre with? Are they only connectors or is he loose enough to have like 74s here? Regardless I think this is a call given our reads on villain, but I'd like to stove it.
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