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03-15-2015 , 02:46 PM
3-5 No litmit holdem Talking Stick, Az

My first post but must start.

V1 Lag Tard, 40ish white male, opens a lot of hands from all position. Has $2000 stack.

V2 Tag 50 white male

V3 Tag 60s white male

V4 60s white male, calling station but has hit a few hands stack $550

Hero 69 white male Tight wining image, bought in $500 and built up to $800.

V1 opens UTG +1 for $20, V2, V3 and V4 (sb) all call. Pot $80.

Hero in BB w JJ. I think this is a good spot to squeeze as I don't want to play JJ OOP against 4 villians. I raise to $95.

Only V4 calls from SB.

flop K, 6, 3 pot $270

V4 checks, I bet $150, V4 shoves for $455. pot now 875

Hero???? 3:1 for call

One other question, was this a good spot to squeeze, and should I have made it more than $95.
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03-15-2015 , 02:51 PM
I think you're good raising pre-flop given the money in the pot and especially your read on the initial opener that he's a bad loose aggressive player... opens way too much/wide?

$95 is too little; $120 is better.

I would actually check this flop back with position and take a turn.
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03-15-2015 , 02:53 PM
As played... probably a fold vs. this guy on this board, even getting 3:1.
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03-15-2015 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
I think you're good raising pre-flop given the money in the pot and especially your read on the initial opener that he's a bad loose aggressive player... opens way too much/wide?

$95 is too little; $120 is better.

I would actually check this flop back with position and take a turn.
Why 120 instead of 95?
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03-15-2015 , 10:38 PM
Pre might be small but it got you heads up. I like $105 though.

Check flop and snap fold now
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03-15-2015 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by esspoker
Why 120 instead of 95?
$120 would be a pot sized raise ($20 to call = $100 in the pot, so you put $100 on top = $120).

It's a generally accepted amount to take the pot down or get it HU without encouraging too many callers.
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03-15-2015 , 11:16 PM
Hand was played well. I like the bet on the flop. After facing the check/raise, I think you should fold. A big part of your range is AK and small blind doesn't seem to care. SB probably has AK himself.

As far as sizing, I think preflop is OK. As some have stated, a little bigger is OK too. I think on the flop, you could bet smaller though. I think $120 or $125 accomplishes the same thing as $150.
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03-16-2015 , 12:20 AM
Hand was well played...

Checking flop or cbeting flop are both alright depending on the following:

1) what is the purpose of the flop bet? Is it for value? Will worse hands call?

If u hv been cbeting frequently, and if villains are willing to call ur cbet more lightly, then there is value in ur cbets.

If u are playing fit or fold, u are folding worse hands n only hands that beat u will call. Then u Shld check.

Checking to induce turn bet can be good if u feel confident Abt postflop plays.

As played, fold. U are most likely beat.
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03-16-2015 , 02:18 AM
grunch: fold

i'm picturing a combo calling station/omc. and anyway.. he didn't call, he raised so that would set off alarm bells. it's not a drawy board so i'd have to believe this guy has a K (maybe even hidden AA... maybe some other pocket pairs... but i'm weighting Kx the heaviest).

i think it's a perfect spot to squeeze. lagtard raised and a bunch of guys that are sick of folding called him probably looser than they would others. and like you said, you're oop so i like raising pre-flop.

i think the flop bet was fine given villain's stack size IF you're willing to fold to his shove. if you weren't willing to fold your flop bet should have been a shove (unless you were trapping but that would be better suited for the lagtard and not the old man).
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03-16-2015 , 08:12 AM
A little bigger pre bc you'd be happy to take it down, you def want at most one caller and JJ can be tough to play OOP. 120 sounds right.
OTF, I think your bet is close to the right size but I wonder if betting is the right play. V is unlikely to check behind, he's going to call w any K and fold or bluff worse hands. I don't think I check here but I don't think its an auto bet. Maybe check 25% of the time? Just a thought.
As played, what could V have where he called your raise and is now shoving? He has position, so KK just flats this super dry board, and AK and AA prob flat, too. I don't know if he'd make this play with KQ. So much depends on V and his read on you, but you're deep enough that you could find a fold when he raises and he's got two streets to take you to value town. I don't know if his play makes sense here. If I think V is loose and very aggressive and capable of a big bluff here, I might find a call. Soul read time.
Against standard player, obvi, have to muck as typical timid V always raises AK or AA here bc they are afraid of getting out drawn.

Oops! Just re read. SB check raised you. Fold. Your hand can't be good.
But in this case, maybe check flop half the time. You're either way ahead or way behind.

Last edited by Dutchstreetfish; 03-16-2015 at 08:13 AM. Reason: Re read post, realized it was the other guy who bet
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03-16-2015 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by dtroyer

Hero???? 3:1 for call
Fold. This is not nearly enough to overcome your (at best, 8%) equity.
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03-16-2015 , 07:28 PM
thanks for all the advice. Maybe a check on the flop would be good. I folded to his shove because I just see no way that a calling station is bluffing here or has anything worse than a K. Yes, I like the advice to raise more on the squeeze. $120 sounds really good.
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