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06-14-2020 , 05:10 PM
Just sat down at a new table 1-3 spread (300). Been playing for five minutes when with two limpers in front of me and I look down at JJ in the HJ and raise to 15. Four players call. All stacks are 300 effective.

Flop comes
949

checks to hero who bets $45, button calls and both MP players fold. Heads up to the turn

Turn comes
9492

Hero bets $100 and button jams. Hero?

Spoiler:
Hero Calls and button shows 89o

Honestly I think I played this hand horribly. Raise is probably too small pre flop and turn bet seems like a donk lead. Seems like button will call this small a raise with 9x holdings and his range beats me on the flop a decent portion of the time to justify a check/call depending on sizing. I dont see any holdings worse than mine that call here other than TT or 88

Last edited by PTMHM; 06-14-2020 at 05:24 PM. Reason: missed info
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06-14-2020 , 07:35 PM
I think as played its a fold on the turn. He basically has trip 9's, boat, or maybe overpair which you only beat 10's. In these situations when it gets HU on the turn, i'll check call a bet to keep villains range wider. Then check and decide river, usually folding if he bets. If he checks turn, I'll VB alot of rivers.
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06-15-2020 , 12:56 AM
i would check the turn here. especially being out of position.
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06-15-2020 , 04:47 AM
Pre is too small.

Flop is a check with a two street value hand on a super dry texture 5 ways but if you’re going to bet- sizing is too big on 9-9-xr 5 ways. $25-30 imo. Your hand is vulnerable but there’s not much you can do about that this multi-way.

Turn is a pure c/eval

imo
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06-15-2020 , 06:31 AM
JJ should be played either as a medium pair or a big pair. You decided to play them like AA which is fine. Unless you'd check AA in this situation, you shouldn't check the flop.

Turn is a clear check
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06-15-2020 , 06:46 AM
AA is a clear check otf. JJs less so because of its vulnerability to overs peeling
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06-15-2020 , 09:59 AM
Hero has invested >50% of stack, but this is still a fold. With no draws, this is usually 9X. If he's turning TT into a bluff, oh well.

Pre - after 2 limps, $15 is on the small side.

Flop - clear bet, but smaller on this texture. Maybe 40% PSB, $25.

Turn - HU now, so I'd X-eval OOP, likely calling. X-folding unimproved river.
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06-15-2020 , 03:30 PM
in reality most times when you get decent action from a multiway flop like this except from some very good aggressive players, you are not going to win with an over pair if the pot gets big at all.
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06-19-2020 , 03:07 AM
Completely agree with most of the feedback here. Pre is too small and I think a bigger bet fixes problems on later streets. Flop should be a bet even with the multi way action. Turn is a slam dunk check. Total donk bet on the turn.

My problem is that logically I know when I get called on the flop the buttons calling range is so strong here. Especially with the pre flop action and the bet size on the first street. I am trying to work on not punting in the moment.
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06-19-2020 , 03:14 AM
I think this hand goes off the rails on the flop. Heads up I’m betting this flop all day long. Against this many opponents, the likelihood of one of them having a 9 is a given. Just try to check this one to show down and if someone shows aggression, you know where those fish hooks go.....right into the muck.
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06-21-2020 , 10:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by samo
Flop - clear bet, but smaller on this texture. Maybe 40% PSB, $25.
40% PSB is at least $30.
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06-21-2020 , 06:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by uberkuber
40% PSB is at least $30.
My bad, thought there were 4 players, not 5.
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06-22-2020 , 03:58 AM
So the consensus here is that JJ should be open raised to 10x pre, 88 is fine for 5x, and AA is 7x because you want callers?
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06-22-2020 , 04:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PTMHM
Just sat down at a new table 1-3 spread (300). Been playing for five minutes when with two limpers in front of me and I look down at JJ in the HJ and raise to 15. Four players call. All stacks are 300 effective.

Flop comes
949

checks to hero who bets $45, button calls and both MP players fold. Heads up to the turn

Turn comes
9492

Hero bets $100 and button jams. Hero?

Spoiler:
Hero Calls and button shows 89o

Honestly I think I played this hand horribly. Raise is probably too small pre flop and turn bet seems like a donk lead. Seems like button will call this small a raise with 9x holdings and his range beats me on the flop a decent portion of the time to justify a check/call depending on sizing. I dont see any holdings worse than mine that call here other than TT or 88

Smaller on flop. In theory you should have small cbets multi-way, and in this hand specifically it’s unlikely anyone has anything (and when they do have something, it’s often something that has you in terrible shape). You bet $20-25, you get those random Kx and Qx hands to fold and still reasonably get action from 55 and the like.

As played, you bet 60% pot and the guy who still has 3 people to act after him calls you. Warning bells should be going off here and you can even strongly consider check folding the turn. Bet calling is a massive mistake IMO.


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06-22-2020 , 11:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray Zee
in reality most times when you get decent action from a multiway flop like this except from some very good aggressive players, you are not going to win with an over pair if the pot gets big at all.
But you would still bet the flop? On the smaller side, I assume, like 50%-ish?
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06-23-2020 , 12:31 AM
with 4 in with you i think you get called too often to be happy betting. if they were tight or very loose i would bet to either win it there or string them along to milk them in a small pot.
i would exit quickly with any sign of strength unless it was a strong player who knew my hand didnt contain nine and try to run me off.
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06-23-2020 , 12:32 AM
some no limit pots you can play like its a fixed limit game. and bet small all the way through and get callers with little chance of winning.
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06-28-2020 , 06:40 AM
Check or bet is fine. The pot size bet is bad. I’d lean betting the flop with some of my PPs more than others. KK/AA checks. QQ/JJ are closer.

TT is always a bet.
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