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JJ facing an all in and a call on the turn? JJ facing an all in and a call on the turn?

11-20-2012 , 11:04 AM
BB Hero 700$
Co Villain 1 100$
Button villain 2 200$

Villain 1 is a girl who hero has played with before she overplays hands consistently and stacked off to the Hero earlier in the night when hero had KK she mucked.

Villain 2 indian middle aged could possibly be on tilt has been spewing chips everywhere for hours.

Hero JJ

Villain 1 raises to 11$ pre flop gets 3 callers including hero

Flop 1073 Pot 45$

Villain 1 checks out of turn very loudly but when it comes to her tries to shove for her last 90$ but is not allowed to because the action had not changed and she had checked out of turn.... no one bets and

Turn 3 pot 45$

When it gets to villain 1 she immediately puts her remaining 90$ in and villain 2 tanks for about a minute and a half before calling he has about 100$ left back

Hero?
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11-20-2012 , 11:14 AM
3bet Pre to around 37. I don't like playing big pairs oop without the betting lead, as played I think I'm folding. You've invested 11 Pre, that's it. You'll get to see the winning hand anyway and with how you say they are playing you can easily wait for a better spot....I think we see 77 here a lot of the time
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11-20-2012 , 11:36 AM
I don't think V1 is deep enough here for me to not get stacked off by her if she has a higher PP or a set. If it were just the two of us, I call in a heartbeat. V2's tank and call makes me worry a bit. Either he has a super strong hand like a set and was tanking to try to figure out how to extract max value, or he has a hand like KT that he is basically using as a bluff catcher against V1. Given the info you have provided about the two villains and the fact that you have somewhat under-repped your hand, I probably shove here, but I don't hate a fold if your read of V2 is that he is strong.
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11-20-2012 , 11:54 AM
I think I would play it differently. Against these 2 villians, I am 3 betting pre. After flatting and seeing this girl check out of turn, I would bet $35, because I don't want this to check through given the vulnerability of our hand. V1 only has $90. I never feel too bad about losing $100 with an over pair of JJ. If she then shoves and V2 calls, I am then shoving, since he is spewing. Replace this guy with your average decent reg and this might be a fold, but I go out of my way to play for stacks with people that are spewing chips. He will have to call ~$100 and the pot is ~$400. He will likely call with his entire range, which you are ahead of.

Finally, as played, I am shoving for the same reason.
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11-20-2012 , 12:12 PM
Indian dude has something like QT. Girl has 77. You're usually well ahead of V2's range in this spot. Shove if you think he'd call an extra 100.
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11-20-2012 , 12:42 PM
Grunch

Quote:
Originally Posted by stepierc
BB Hero 700$
Co Villain 1 100$
Button villain 2 200$

Villain 1 is a girl who hero has played with before she overplays hands consistently and stacked off to the Hero earlier in the night when hero had KK she mucked.

Villain 2 indian middle aged could possibly be on tilt has been spewing chips everywhere for hours.

Hero JJ

Villain 1 raises to 11$ pre flop gets 3 callers including hero

Flop 1073 Pot 45$

Villain 1 checks out of turn very loudly but when it comes to her tries to shove for her last 90$ but is not allowed to because the action had not changed and she had checked out of turn.... no one bets and

Turn 3 pot 45$

When it gets to villain 1 she immediately puts her remaining 90$ in and villain 2 tanks for about a minute and a half before calling he has about 100$ left back

Hero?
With an incredibly loose player like this I have no problem getting my money in PF. I'm advocating a reraise from the BB.

Bet the flop. Even if she went out of turn, she's willing to get it in with any number of hands just to have some action. Give her the chance to make her shove and you make a profit.

As played, just get it in. Make the squeeze play and either profit from her overplay or lose because you got coolered.

Nh
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11-20-2012 , 12:53 PM
Thanks for all the advice 3betting preflop I believe would have been the optimal choice as played I folded fearing that at least one of them had a set or overpair. Alot of you were close the indian guy had 77 and the girl had 910 a 9 came on the river giving her top two but my jacks and 33's wouldve been good.

As played I feel like i made a good fold but i think a 3bet pre makes it alot harder for her to shove and It also commits me to the pot more and gives me more information about her hand. However i do not like betting into loose players at 1/2 out of position.
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11-20-2012 , 05:10 PM
How on Earth are we NOT 3-betting this preflop??? Easiest 3-bet in the world, 3-bet to an easy $40 - $50 AINEC.

JJ just doesn't do well vs 3 opponents, need to get heads up as well as iso dead money.

Given Stack sizes involved, once you 3bet you are shoving any non-ace flop.

As played, given your villain descriptions, I can't see how we could not get it in here? One player possibly tilting, another that overvalues hands??? We have an overpair, board is JJ friendly...

seriously, how does all our money not go into the pot???

3-bet pre, play straight forward and bet out, as played get it in...
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