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12-28-2012 , 07:50 AM

Habeeb

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 110

£1/£2 live HLH cash game. 9 players.

Hero - £135 (62BB)
Villain 1 - c.£400 (200BB). Loose, aggressive, young player.
Villain 2 - c.£700 (350BB). Solid winning player, has made some good decisions post flop. Does plays a lot of hands.

Pre Flop
V1 makes it £8 UTG, V2 calls from MP. Hero has JJ on Button makes it £30. Both V1 and V2 call.

Flop
A,K,8 (not suited). All players check.

Turn
3 (suited with K). V1, V2 check again. What is V1 and V2 range? What should Hero do?

Advice would be appreciated.

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12-28-2012 , 07:57 AM

rakeme

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 6,715

I'm almost never 3betting this pre vs. UTG open.

As played, just try to check it down. You're not going to get any value from anything you beat.

Also, rebuy to 100bbs.

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12-28-2012 , 08:05 AM

Habeeb

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 110

UTG was the loosest player at the table opening the betting almost every other hand. You still wouldn't suggest 3 bet vs him pre flop?

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12-28-2012 , 08:43 AM

madlondoner

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,515

3 betting is fine if they are opening loads. The flop is pretty terrible and although they both checked twice I would just try and get to showdown as cheaply as possible.

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12-28-2012 , 08:55 AM

AintNoLimit

Coach live/online NLHE

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,399

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Originally Posted by Habeeb

UTG was the loosest player at the table opening the betting almost every other hand. You still wouldn't suggest 3 bet vs him pre flop?

This would need to be stated up front to get decent replies.

If 8 was a smaller open size, then 3 bet is ok even though i dont usually. I would bet like 1/3 pot on flop. You may as well find out some info. for your price with position here since anyone calling will have you beat and you wont be enticed to calling a turn bet (bluff) which rarely would be a bluff.

We can never just assume someone has us beat and check fold ever. And checking flop will lead to large errors within the hand IMO.

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12-28-2012 , 11:34 AM

TMack

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 613

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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit

+1

>> I would 3bet bigger pre-flop if he is very loose

Last edited by TMack; 12-28-2012 at 11:34 AM. Reason: add

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12-28-2012 , 12:37 PM

holla2mlo

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 32

why wouldnt you 3bet with jacks if its a loose player? i am just not a fan of calling with jacks when you have a decent chance of winning with the hand pre.

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12-28-2012 , 02:01 PM

bip!

Slow Pony

Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 14,266

I like the pre-flop action.

I wish you had bet the flop. However, given that it miraculously checked around again on the turn, you should be thrilled you get to check and at worst have to call one bet on the river.

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12-28-2012 , 02:15 PM

McMelchior

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Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,699

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Originally Posted by holla2mlo

i am just not a fan of calling with jacks when you have a decent chance of winning with the hand pre.

With this line of logic you should be 3-betting 72o under similar circumstances

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