$1/2 daytime game - everyone is loose passive and somewhat sticky.
7 handed, H has $600, main V has $150. Most V’s have $100-200.

4 limps, H has JJ, makes it $22, one V in MP and main V in LP.

Flop $61
865ssc (H doesn’t have a spade).
Both V’s have all sets, straights and 2p’s in there range along with OP’s, pair and a draw and draws. H? Checking seems really passive, but betting seems like it’s bloating a pot OOP.

If they are loose/passive, go ahead and bet $35 or so. If they call, you can evaluate turn. If they raise, you can fold. I'd like a little more money in the pot and I hate giving a free card.

I would make it $25-$30 pre. There is so much you can get value from right here and people aren't going to be raising as much as they should, making this a straightforward value c bet. I go $20 here and then shove any non 4 card straight, spade, or A turn. You could make an argument for just shoving the flop.

sixsevenoff: Don't you think we lose value by shoving flop? Are loose/passives calling with worse (that is not a huge draw)? I want to get a little value, which is also why I go a little bigger than $20, but not much. If they are calling $20, they are calling $30.

Yeah, that's why I bet a size other than shove. I don't think it's a bad idea for someone that gets lost on a lot of turn cards - draws and overpairs will call a lot of the time, sometimes even 8x. I like going small on the flop because they're are so many horrible turns that I like to keep it small and wait to play for stacks on a clean turn, or get off cheap when a bad turn comes.

Effective SPR < 3 and you have an over pair. You are already pretty committed to this pot so you might as well bet. Cutting the field down to one opponent is good here. There are very few run outs you want to see here. I would be fine with both of them folding.

The thing about villains having very wide ranges and having a moderately wet board is that your hand will likely hold up against a single opponent but drops off fast against multiple ones.

Bet $40 on the flop, plan to check/evaluate on the turn. If the turn goes check/check consider a bet on the river but mostly check/call. You don't want to build a big pot here because you are not going to have any idea if you are ahead or behind. It's going to be hard to fold but you would rather keep the pot small.

When playing passive bad villains who call off huge percentages of their stack pre. We do not make money by playing passively postflop and letting them hit their MANY outs. Bet large on flop and if raised you can consider a max eploitive fold.

Personally, I go $50 on the flop and shove all non-4card straight turns, and flush completing turns. Check/Eval those.

You are making your money in these spots from the massive mistakes pre, when they call an 11x bet with a speculative range. It almost doesn't matter what you do post as long as you continue to bet. Even if they have you beat some of the time here, you will print money in the long run.

The ship sailed on not bloating the pot out of position when you raised to $22 from the blinds. Keep betting big. This board is very wet and you want to charge these guys.

Spr is barely over 2. Any sizing from half pot to all in seems reasonable. Not folding to a jam if I bet big

This is a flop that hits calling ranges and neutralizes your card advantage and magnified your position disadvantage. Check flop.

Couple of different opinions on here.

In game H leads for $55 for the reasons articulated above several times. MP folds and V shoves with his obvious set. H calls. Interesting that my thought process was that I’m exploiting V’s when they put in 15-20% of their stack pre, then I’m really committing to take JJ through the river on an 8 high flop. At least that was my thinking.

If you raised 22 pre and cbet 55 on the flop, then by my math, you need to call 73 to win 317, i.e. you need 23% equity to make this a profitable call.

If Villain's only shoving sets, flopped straight and the strongest combo draws, 87ss and 67ss, then you should fold. But if he's shoving all the above plus all of his reasonable flush draws, then it's a call.

If you intent to bet fold, it's probably better to bet smaller on this flop, though you must be ready to adapt to more random spazz outs.

Generally I like my preflop sizing, it’s post flop I f’d up.

How?

I think this is a pretty good situation to check raise all in. Loose passive fish seem to enjoy the ole “bet when checked to” move when they have any piece, and on a board like this, it’s really good to end the action as quickly as possible when OOP with a hand like an overpair.


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I don’t even know. Maybe it was fine. I didn’t really mind the play at the table but afterwards it felt a little button-clicky to me. Maybe it was fine. Just getting back into playing live after taking most of 2020 off (only played online).

it´s such an easy bet/call at this stack depth. If you get stacked with a set, it´s really not a problem at all. The problem starts when you try to find ways to fold in these situations.

+1, actually an excellent spot to check/shove allin.We have loads of unpaired overcard combos that cant bet here into the world after raising pre such as AQ/AK, so a check here is expected a good amount of the time by our opponents and they wont hesitate to bet with a wide range when checked to.

The problem with passive players is that they will not bet their draws. They are so happy to get a free card. Passive players are usually betting here with two pair plus and maybe a huge draw, like open ended w/ flush. Good old A7ss

If we check and it checks through it can easily put us in a really tough spot on the turn.

JJ is not a good check/raise candidate, because if the hand checks through, you ll face a ton of unpleasant turns. AA or KK are good hands to do that with because they are less vulnerable.

JJ/TT and QQ to a lesser extent need to be fast played.

I totally agree with OvertlySexual here. I would put the MP villain on stronger hands like Ax suited or any two broadway cards. A limp call from early position with one player still to act behind is less likely to be small suited connectors and more likely a middle pair or higher suited connectors. As such you may be up against Ax that hit their x to make a pair on the flop but you may have hands like KQ suited and you don't want to give them a free card. You can squeeze the MP player out since he will have action behind. He should fold if he did not hit this flop. It is the LP player who has a much wider range but you cannot assume he hit this flop either. We need to bet at least 50% pot. Players will expect us to c-bet with most of our range including two over-cards such as AK or AQ so they will likely call flop bet with any top or even middle pair. We can extract some value from them and if they both call we can check or make a small 30% pot bet on the turn and see what happens. If only one calls the flop we could often check call the turn, or make a small value bet on the turn.

I still say we should not be looking bet all three streets with a one pair hand, so we need to plan to check either the turn or the river. Against one caller we can usually afford to check the turn and give him a free card. Depending on who calls and what their stack size is, we may get it all in by the river, but probably looking to avoid that here unless we only get one caller seeing the turn. If one caller and turn is a small blank we could shove but likely lose value in doing that. Need to re-evaluate depending on pot size and stack sizes. I don't think we have a strong enough hand where we are trying to size a flop bet to get it all in on the turn or river. need more info before deciding that.