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12-22-2011 , 12:08 PM
Hero is playing lag. Iso raising ip. Won pot at showdown iso 3b light a5 ss.

Villain 1(cutoff)800 deep. Overbets nut hands no matter the street. Recently shoved for 200bb over a 1/2 Cbet with top set on flop. Other guy had bottom set. Fishy usually swingy player builds stack up then donates all or some back. Recently opened for 60 in 1/3 game unopened pot with AA.

V2 (sb)(200 bb)plays atc. Loses a lot consistently. Station. First hand called 60 pre with q2 floated 150otf with bottom pair (eff stacks 500).

V3 (bb)(600 bb) heater. Hero has been isolating majority if his raises. Hero recently flatted flop Cbet and raised turn showing a duece when I folded. Calls too much pre. Takes weird c/r lines but cbets too much.

Mandatory straddle otb for 6.

Sb calls 6 bb calls 6 hero raises to 40 with red jcjh (like raising to 50/60 better), folds to v1 who raises to 85. Sb and bb call.

Hero?

V1 likely has 55-TT any suited ace, much of range is AQs or AK.

V2 literally atc, most likely suited garbage or 2-3 gappers, some weak aces, some random Broadway combos.

V3 weak aces, suited connectors, 22-88, random Broadway combos suited and unsuited


Also I can commit vs v2 with an overpair a lot of the time but have to figure out best balance to play this pot. I don't want to setmine as I'm too strong compared to everyones range.
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12-22-2011 , 12:19 PM
V1's min raise 3bet seems pretty weak given the fact that you have some betting tells on him which point to him making BIG bets with BIG hands....so he could be just "making a play" here. Have you seen him 3bet light like this before? any history with 3bets? I feel like 4bet/fold is always a mistake though so i am prob just taking a flop here multiway with good relative position.
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12-22-2011 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Superman1
V1's min raise 3bet seems pretty weak given the fact that you have some betting tells on him which point to him making BIG bets with BIG hands....so he could be just "making a play" here. Have you seen him 3bet light like this before? any history with 3bets? I feel like 4bet/fold is always a mistake though so i am prob just taking a flop here multiway with good relative position.
4b fold isn't horrid as deep as we are imo, but not my favorite option. I Obvi eliminated jj+ from his range. He doesn't seem like the type to go crazy with AK. I am crushing v2/3 range but vs v1 I am prob 65/35 vs v1 range

I don't think he will 3b light persey more that he thinks he has the best hand. He doesn't seem much above level 1.
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12-22-2011 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Superman1
V1's min raise 3bet seems pretty weak given the fact that you have some betting tells on him which point to him making BIG bets with BIG hands....so he could be just "making a play" here. Have you seen him 3bet light like this before? any history with 3bets? I feel like 4bet/fold is always a mistake though so i am prob just taking a flop here multiway with good relative position.
Forgot to add. Only 2nd time seeing v1 play nl. Usually play in limit Omaha and limit holdem game with him. He is too stationy in those but not a lot of info on his nl adapting...but his betsizing seems like a tremendous tell.
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12-22-2011 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by miamicheats

V3 (bb)(600 bb) heater. Hero has been isolating majority if his raises. Hero recently flatted flop Cbet and raised turn showing a duece when he folded. Calls too much pre. Takes weird c/r lines but cbets toomuch.
Edit he folded to my raise and I showed a duece. Too late to edit op.

Thanks in advance for responses.
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12-22-2011 , 06:28 PM
Post is really confusing.. I feel like we alternate between BB and monetary amounts back and fourth? Can you just post the effective stacks and raises/bets in $?
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12-22-2011 , 08:24 PM
easy 4bet, but if op shoves - think about his range twice as careful as before...
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12-22-2011 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by canoodles
Post is really confusing.. I feel like we alternate between BB and monetary amounts back and fourth? Can you just post the effective stacks and raises/bets in $?
Sorry on phone.

Bn straddle 6 (1800eff)
Sb calls 6 (600 eff)
Bb calls (1800 eff)
Hero utg raises 40 (1800)
Bn raise to 85, sb bb both call.
Hero?
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12-22-2011 , 09:49 PM
This deep and against so many players, I have no problem playing JJ as a set-mine TBH. 4betting is fine too.
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12-22-2011 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by miamicheats
Hero is playing lag. Iso raising ip. Won pot at showdown iso 3b light a5 ss.

Villain 1(cutoff)800 deep. Overbets nut hands no matter the street. Recently shoved for 200bb over a 1/2 Cbet with top set on flop. Other guy had bottom set. Fishy usually swingy player builds stack up then donates all or some back. Recently opened for 60 in 1/3 game unopened pot with AA.

V2 (sb)(200 bb)plays atc. Loses a lot consistently. Station. First hand called 60 pre with q2 floated 150otf with bottom pair (eff stacks 500).

V3 (bb)(600 bb) heater. Hero has been isolating majority if his raises. Hero recently flatted flop Cbet and raised turn showing a duece when I folded. Calls too much pre. Takes weird c/r lines but cbets too much.

Mandatory straddle otb for 6.

Sb calls 6 bb calls 6 hero raises to 40 with red jcjh (like raising to 50/60 better), folds to v1 who raises to 85. Sb and bb call.

Hero?

V1 likely has 55-TT any suited ace, much of range is AQs or AK.

V2 literally atc, most likely suited garbage or 2-3 gappers, some weak aces, some random Broadway combos.

V3 weak aces, suited connectors, 22-88, random Broadway combos suited and unsuited


Also I can commit vs v2 with an overpair a lot of the time but have to figure out best balance to play this pot. I don't want to setmine as I'm too strong compared to everyones range.
Hero calls 85. Thought there was no reasonable raise that would get hu as villains are sticky.

Flop (340) 5c5 h7c
Sb checks bb checks hero checks bn checks

Didn't want to donk as thought it turns hand face up.
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12-23-2011 , 09:17 AM
actually i think donking as a b/f for value against V1's range that includes 88-TT is the best line here. Not only should it narrow down the field but it should really define the hand for us. I just feel like there are so many bad turn cards that could fall that will leave us in a tough spot.
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12-23-2011 , 11:10 AM
Donking on this flop shouldn't turn your hand face up, but we have other things to worry about than just turning our hand face up anyways (it's a fairly draw-heavy board too, and there are 3 overcards to our hand). I would bet $165 and take it from there.
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12-23-2011 , 11:20 AM
What do u think my perceived range is when I bet 165?
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12-23-2011 , 11:22 AM
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What do u think my perceived range is when I bet 165?
Decently wide imo...club draws with overs, trips, over pairs.
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12-23-2011 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by miamicheats
Hero calls 85. Thought there was no reasonable raise that would get hu as villains are sticky.

Flop (340) 5c5 h7c
Sb checks bb checks hero checks bn checks

Didn't want to donk as thought it turns hand face up.
Turn (340) 5h5c7cTh
Sb checks bb checks hero?

I think I should have fired flop but I fully expected bn to Cbet on flop after 3 betting.
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12-23-2011 , 11:29 AM
HPSB
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12-23-2011 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Superman1
HPSB
Hand played super bad?
Pot sized bet seems more likely
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12-23-2011 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by miamicheats
Hand played super bad?
Pot sized bet seems more likely
lol half pot sized bet...sorry for the confusion. Although obv by my previous comments i think you should have bet the flop.
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12-23-2011 , 11:51 AM
I agree that I should have fired flop.
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12-24-2011 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by miamicheats
Turn (340) 5h5c7cTh
Sb checks bb checks hero?

I think I should have fired flop but I fully expected bn to Cbet on flop after 3 betting.
Hero bets 180. All 3 call.

River offsuit Q
Sb checks bb checks, hero?

Checking seems best and calling reasonable bet by button depending on what sb and bb do
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