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12-08-2013 , 08:06 AM
Game is 25/50 Php which is approximately 50/1. Game is 9 handed and a mix of mostly very loose and reasonably passive recreational players with some local grinders. Average stack is 3000 Php.

Hero is my girlfriend UTG with JJ with a stack of about 5000 Php.

She raises to 250 and gets 5 callers including the BB. Ranges are very wide.

Pot: 1525

Flop : T32 rainbow

?????
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12-08-2013 , 08:14 AM
your avatar perfectly describes me after reading this post

is the question a bet sizing question?

cause im gonna bet 999 or 1111. can i do that?
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12-08-2013 , 08:21 AM
I'd like to know if people bet this flop 6 way as I have never encountered this situation myself. If so what's your betsize? Do you stack off vs a raise? It seems like a very reverse implied odds situation to me intuitively. FWIW she bet 600. I'd like to know people's thoughts on the flop before broaching the turn.
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12-11-2013 , 01:50 PM
I'm gonna give this a bump cuz we've all been there. Maybe not against six people. But it sure seems that way at times.

This flop is sort of superficially good for us. On second glance we realize there are very few pocket pairs out there we beat, that will likely stand up to any pressure at all.

There are three options
1. Bet large (2/3 to full pot). I feel this is spew. We fold out hands we beat, like overcards and Tx.
2. Bet small (half pot or less). We get some value from hands we beat but QQ might flat. Do we then check the turn? Thereby setting ourselves to get bluffed off our hand?
3. Check/call. Somebody is bound to bet. We do get to see who bets and who calls before investing additional $. May still have people to our left still to act, so even calling a single bettor has risk. We could c/r to isolate, but again we wind up selecting for hands that beat us. Beyond that, I'm not sure c/r shows more strength than a call. Maybe less.

I have two principles I follow that are in conflict here.
1. When in doubt, cbet.
2. When my initial plan fails, usually because someone who was supposed to fold didn't, start looking for the exit.

In this case, I don't really like the cbet much. We can't thin the field and at the same time get value from lesser hands. And there's just no way I take the pot down here no matter what I bet.

So I think principle 2) applies.

So I'm thinking
1. Check
2. Consider calling up to a pot sized bet, depending on who, if any, calls; and how many people are left to act to my left.
3. Check the turn, and hope to get to showdown as cheaply as possible.

I can't say I like this line. In fact I hate it. But I think I hate the other lines more.

What do y'all think?
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12-11-2013 , 02:04 PM
Pretty obvious bet fold. Not sure it even warrants much discussion. Just size for value vs. Tx.
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12-11-2013 , 02:23 PM
bet/fold 1000. Line on turn if called will be entirely villain dependent.


I still think our hand is good a lot of the time here against a random group of preflop calling ranges. Lots of T's out there to get value from, only 33 TT and 22 are ahead.
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12-16-2013 , 04:05 AM
Thanks for the detailed reply Dave. My thoughts were similar.

She ended up betting 600 and someone to her left called and the rest folded. The turn was an offsuit 8.
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12-16-2013 , 04:31 AM
With a pot of ~2700, bet 1500-1600 ott now. You likely have found your 10.
I would've bet a bit more than 600 on the flop. 800-900.
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