2/5
stacks
hero 1100
v1 500ish
v2 500ish
v3 500ish

reads
v1- no real reads hero Just sat down after the other table broke seems pretty solid but cant say much about him
v2- reg a bit of gamble, just took a few beating and rebought while hero just sat down during the first orbit
v3- reg-calling station calls wide pre-and post flop been playing with on the other table

the hand
8 limps
hero on button limps with J10
both the blind complete

pot 55

Flop 89J
checks to hero
hero bets 40
(was a little bigger than I wanted as I thought the pot was a little bit bigger)
V2 in sb calls
V3 in BB calls
V1 in MP 3 bets to 100
folds to hero
hero???? hero calls
both v2-v3 call

pot 455

turn 4
checks to v1 who thinks about and bets 160
hero ???

I dont really know what to do here, v1 is the main issue, v2 most likely got a pair and straight draw,I felt that I was ahead of v2 range
v3 could have jsut about anything any pair, any straight draw
is this a sigh call on turn?? his sizing pretty much set him up for river shove after his check raise it just screams straight

make it 60 pre.

you are in a 10 player limped pot and I can almost guarantee someone has Q10

60 pre should thin the field enough so that we can put the remaining Villain's on some reasonable ranges. Right now we know not what they could have.

pretty easy fold on the turn man. A solid player never shows up with J7 or worse. Every other jack (except JT) beats us. Sets beat us. If he has QT we are crushed. If he doesn´t have QT we are likely drawing to a chop on our 8 outer. If someone has KT we are drawing to a chop on a 4 outer. Also spades might be dirty.

Bet-fold flop. No nut outs. Not closing action. Bad implieds.

Pre is fine.
C/behind flop, why are you betting? Value? To set up a 3 barrel bluff vs the whole limping table on a board like this?

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Fold ott.

J10o is not a hand that plays well multi way when we limp and liming to try and hit a monster is a losing bet. Also, if we are not raising J10 otb, what is our button raising range? Premiums only? Would you raise it if only one person limped or would you still limp?

The fact that there are so many limpers only makes the raise so much more profitable.

No, you can't raise it to 15 (which I see a lot of "lolgrinder" do all the time. your raise amount should increase as the number of limpers increase.

All those limps are dead money and we have the button with J10. So when we raise to 60, it's just like walking bye with a broom and sweeping up all the money that is just laying there on the side walk. This is one of the purest ways to profit in no limit holdem.

dont raise pre
call or fold are both fine

+1 for the bomb pre/fold flop ap crowd

oops. meant fold to raise on flop. I think limping is fine given table dynamics. Building a massive multiway pot with JTo is pretty meh. I´d rather limp than fold.

Do you really think raising to 60 pre is more profitable than just limping?
$60 to win $37, you have to be sure that it's going to work 2/3 of the time to show a small profit in the long term.
Why not just limp, only continue with a monster (oesd, 2 pair, trips) and use position maximise out profits when we value bet and win a bigger pot.
At this spot I'm happy to play "bingo"

That's not a 3-bet.

It's possible someone has a better jack. It's possible someone has a better hand than a better jack. It's possible you're drawing dead.

I may be stupid for playing this way, but multiway, I bail after the flop c/r. "Nice hand, sir," is so much easier.

Something has gone terribly wrong here.

It depends. Limping has the benefit of limiting our loss.

lol. You know what I mean. If V3 has a better J, two pair, or a set, and one of the other V´s has KT, we are drawing to a chop on a turned 7 or runner runner (possibly only running tens)

Ship turn

Don't like the overlimp, most of the time you're going to be in a pair-drawing contest with a bunch of fish, no money in that. Would much rather raise pre. The exception I guess is if you get 4 or more callers no matter how much you raise. This isn't going to be a great hand to cbet into multiple callers on most board textures because you're going to have to give up OTT too often.

By limping, you're basically hoping to a) get a good hand, which will generally require people to let you get there for cheap; and b) get paid off if you do. Won't happen very often but it's cheap to see a flop and it's better than beating your brains out I guess. I know it's frustrating sometimes.

So assuming an overlimp was called for, you did OK except I don't like the call OTF. Think about it, if you're going to continue you might as well shove, you have twice as much equity OTF as you do OTT and you get more fold equity that way.

I don't know that I would shove here, not all of your outs are clean, some are pretty awful. One of your straight cards got counterfeited. You have 4 more or less solid outs, 9 iffy outs, let's call it 9 outs to the win. The pot will be ~$1050, you should be willing to pay up to about a third of that, say $350ish. It's close; you only need what, about 5% fold equity.

Tell you though, I don't know if you have it. Plus, we've had to make a lot of assumptions about your outs, even assuming you have 36% equity might be generous. I dunno. Too close for comfort for me. Would be interested to see what others think about shoving the flop, but all in all I don't see the profit margin there.